the NMB didn't refer the case to the DOJ because they were willing to throw the whole process out.
they referred the case because they know that there was card fraud involved.
The difference btween the IRS and the IAM is that the IRS is politically protected because it was fulfilling administration objectives. The IAM is not.
It is again a simple last Hail Mary for anyone to think the Justice Dept. won't get to the bottom of the case. that's what Kevin wants and the NMB is mad that its time and energy was wasted on a drive that was adulterated from the beginning.
WT,
I have organized to get a Union in my workplace and there are many problems that arise when going through the process. Some employees want to mail the A card themselves, many are afraid that the Company will find out that they signed a card. Add in the fact that when you get a card back from an employee you have no idea if they put valid information on the card and signed with their normal signature. If someone who is helping you hands you some cards you can't know if they got them legitimately or not. In many cases, including mine, the Company didn't hand me a list of eligible employees systemwide much less their information.
When I see posts from individuals stating DL employees were saying all along there was fraud, it might be because they filled out a card incorrectly or mailed a bogus card. Let's not just assume that fraud was occurring from the Union.
Organizing is very tough and even though the drive I refer to was successful, I would say that maybe 20% of the employees I obtained signatures from were gained easily. The rest were afraid.
P. Rez
no, the FAs knew it was fraud because the IAM called them and said the IAM held cards in their name or asked why the FAs had not renewed their cards.
It isn't hard to figure out that there was widespread fraud that extended throughout the card drive and was finally discovered when the cards were turned over to the NMB.
Wouldn't that be collusion?
Thought that was illegal.
You know 700, sometimes you do unions more harm than good.
I know you don't see that and that is a real problem.
JMHO, your union mindset needs to be retooled.
B) xUT
it simply did not happen. The IAM didn't and won't "DO" any deal with the DOJ.
the reason why DL is happy to see an investigation and the IAM is quiet as a church mouse is because the real heads of the IAM know that their butts are going to be handed to them on a platter.
again, it doesn't matter if it was DL employees or the IAM that actually forged cards - and the chances are high that it involved some of both.
the IAM made the application and there is a real high chance that the IAM will come up with emails and comm8nicaiton that shows that the IAM either knew or encouraged or did (and perhaps all 3) the fraud that took place.
Okay, Delta pays me.....doesn't mean I would support them come hell or high water. Example, I was quite pissed when they took a political stance on immigration, how do you feel about the company being pro let them all in and live off the tax payers? You must like it because, after all, "Delta puts a roof over your head"
Kev has not posted
ONCE
who he thinks is to blame. He simply wants answer, you are simply playing your stupid games and putting words into peoples mouths. Stop being part of the problem please.
what is it with you dude?
Stop being part of the problem. Pre-merger Delta FAs had a AFA vote and 40% of the FAs voted YES. quite blaming this #### on the NW employees.
Its #### like this that keep driving a wedge between work groups. keep it up WT, we will end up like you United or US airways.......
no, dawg, I'm not driving any more of a wedge between PMNW and PMDL employees than what has already existed and the PMNW employees have tried to do from the beginning.
I am fully aware that there have always been PMDL employees who have favored unions. but PMDL employees do not have the history with unions or in the continuous fights with mgmt. to have pushed the campaign to the lows it has reached without the help of formerly union people.
DL also is fully aware of where pro-union strength comes from. There simply is not escaping that reality.
to try to argue that all DL employees or locations are on the same level WRT their labor views or their willingness to engage in labor techniques is simply delusionally wrongly.
and I still say that there will be heads of DL employees that will roll as a result of this and DL isn't the least bit disappointed to see it happen.
