IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[topDawg]

It's the kind of logic that says, working at DL puts food on my table and a roof over my head !
The IAM doesn't!
And no I wouldn't be happy if they had!

Any more questions?

Okay, Delta pays me.....doesn't mean I would support them come hell or high water. Example, I was quite pissed when they took a political stance on immigration, how do you feel about the company being pro let them all in and live off the tax payers? You must like it because, after all, "Delta puts a roof over your head"  
 

and I think you will find that what you were hoping to find will be just the opposite of what is found.

if there are indeed pro-union DL employees who were involved, the union movement at DL will be severely weakened.

Given the amount of computer and phone records that are available, it won't be hard to find who was involved.

And it may well be that the DOJ does the housecleaning for DL - or at least provide the evidence.

You'll get what you asked for - but it might not be what you really want

Kev has not posted
 
ONCE
 
who he thinks is to blame. He simply wants answer, you are simply playing your stupid games and putting words into peoples mouths. Stop being part of the problem please. 
 

Except you are just guessing and the IAM has made no official statement. meanwhile DL put out a press release saying that they are glad the review is being launched. Kind of squashes the notion that DL had a corporate plan to interfere in the process.

I bet the temperature in a few MSP living rooms tonite is rather warm.

just a question for Kevin. What other representation cases have ended up in an investigation by the DOJ?

what is it with you dude? 
 
Stop being part of the problem. Pre-merger Delta FAs had a AFA vote and 40% of the FAs voted YES. quite blaming this **** on the NW employees. 
 
 
 
Its **** like this that keep driving a wedge between work groups. keep it up WT, we will end up like you United or US airways....... 

 

[townpete]

Don't be too surprised if DOJ finds nothing wrong with IAM's card fraud.

After all, if they refuse to prosecute IRS mishandling...well you know.

Besides why would DOJ harm one of their political parties biggest donors?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the NMB didn't refer the case to the DOJ because they were willing to throw the whole process out.

they referred the case because they know that there was card fraud involved.

The difference btween the IRS and the IAM is that the IRS is politically protected because it was fulfilling administration objectives. The IAM is not.


It is again a simple last Hail Mary for anyone to think the Justice Dept. won't get to the bottom of the case. that's what Kevin wants and the NMB is mad that its time and energy was wasted on a drive that was adulterated from the beginning.

WT,

I have organized to get a Union in my workplace and there are many problems that arise when going through the process. Some employees want to mail the A card themselves, many are afraid that the Company will find out that they signed a card. Add in the fact that when you get a card back from an employee you have no idea if they put valid information on the card and signed with their normal signature. If someone who is helping you hands you some cards you can't know if they got them legitimately or not. In many cases, including mine, the Company didn't hand me a list of eligible employees systemwide much less their information.

When I see posts from individuals stating DL employees were saying all along there was fraud, it might be because they filled out a card incorrectly or mailed a bogus card. Let's not just assume that fraud was occurring from the Union.

Organizing is very tough and even though the drive I refer to was successful, I would say that maybe 20% of the employees I obtained signatures from were gained easily. The rest were afraid.

P. Rez

 
no, the FAs knew it was fraud because the IAM called them and said the IAM held cards in their name or asked why the FAs had not renewed their cards.

It isn't hard to figure out that there was widespread fraud that extended throughout the card drive and was finally discovered when the cards were turned over to the NMB.
 

Wouldn't that be collusion?
Thought that was illegal.
You know 700, sometimes you do unions more harm than good.
I know you don't see that and that is a real problem.
JMHO, your union mindset needs to be retooled.
B) xUT

it simply did not happen. The IAM didn't and won't "DO" any deal with the DOJ.

the reason why DL is happy to see an investigation and the IAM is quiet as a church mouse is because the real heads of the IAM know that their butts are going to be handed to them on a platter.

again, it doesn't matter if it was DL employees or the IAM that actually forged cards - and the chances are high that it involved some of both.

the IAM made the application and there is a real high chance that the IAM will come up with emails and comm8nicaiton that shows that the IAM either knew or encouraged or did (and perhaps all 3) the fraud that took place.
 
 

Okay, Delta pays me.....doesn't mean I would support them come hell or high water. Example, I was quite pissed when they took a political stance on immigration, how do you feel about the company being pro let them all in and live off the tax payers? You must like it because, after all, "Delta puts a roof over your head"  
 
Kev has not posted
 
ONCE
 
who he thinks is to blame. He simply wants answer, you are simply playing your stupid games and putting words into peoples mouths. Stop being part of the problem please. 
 
what is it with you dude? 
 
Stop being part of the problem. Pre-merger Delta FAs had a AFA vote and 40% of the FAs voted YES. quite blaming this #### on the NW employees. 
 
 
 
Its #### like this that keep driving a wedge between work groups. keep it up WT, we will end up like you United or US airways.......

no, dawg, I'm not driving any more of a wedge between PMNW and PMDL employees than what has already existed and the PMNW employees have tried to do from the beginning.

I am fully aware that there have always been PMDL employees who have favored unions. but PMDL employees do not have the history with unions or in the continuous fights with mgmt. to have pushed the campaign to the lows it has reached without the help of formerly union people.

DL also is fully aware of where pro-union strength comes from. There simply is not escaping that reality.

to try to argue that all DL employees or locations are on the same level WRT their labor views or their willingness to engage in labor techniques is simply delusionally wrongly.

and I still say that there will be heads of DL employees that will roll as a result of this and DL isn't the least bit disappointed to see it happen.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev has not posted
 
ONCE
 
who he thinks is to blame. He simply wants answer, you are simply playing your stupid games and putting words into peoples mouths. Stop being part of the problem please. 
 
what is it with you dude?

Exactly. Expecting the whole story to come to light is not an unreasonable expectation.
 

Stop being part of the problem. Pre-merger Delta FAs had a AFA vote and 40% of the FAs voted YES. quite blaming this #### on the NW employees...
Its #### like this that keep driving a wedge between work groups. keep it up WT, we will end up like you United or US airways.......

Seriously.

I will say that in the last few years I've seen this sort of shrill tribal identity pushed more and more to the margins.

 

[townpete]

Exactly. Expecting the whole story to come to light is not an unreasonable expectation. Seriously.I will say that in the last few years I've seen this sort of shrill tribal identity pushed more and more to the margins.

Gimme an effing break already, you simply have to visit WC to see the ever present hatred and vile puke spewed toward the evil corporation DAL.

Much like you share Kev.

And now pro Union pearl clutchers are concerned about "division"???

Heh indeed.

 

[Kev3188]

And pages like NoWay and Dp are all about ice cream & puppies, right?

GMAFB.

Nevertheless, the demand for the truth behind this story is common ground we should all share.

 

[swamt]

Fraud questions raised in union-organizing drive at Delta
and
 
6:26 pm Delta Air Lines says it is encouraged by the National Mediation Board's decision to ask for DoJ review after the International Association of Machinists application dismissal
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Wonder who called the Feds?  Of course this would please Delta if fraudulent charges were filed or even found.  They would continue to use this info in the future to fan off other union drives at Delta.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the first step that DL wants is to validate that the majority of DL FAs DO NOT want a union and have said that repeatedly.

The IAM thought it would valiantly run in and try to gain representation where other unions have failed. Once it became apparent that the IAM did not have enough cards, the IAM made it clear that the campaign was in trouble. The only real question is whether the IAM acted alone or if DL employees did the work for them. And I would strongly bet that the IAM did indeed know about the fraud that was going on whether they actually committed it or not - but in the eyes of the NMB, the IAM will be held liable.

since Kevin is afraid to tell us how many representation campaigns have ended up with a DOJ investigation, it is likely that the number is not only few but I would guess there are legitimate punishments for those that were involved.

 

[townpete]

And pages like NoWay and Dp are all about ice cream & puppies, right?GMAFB.Nevertheless, the demand for the truth behind this story is common ground we should all share.

Quit kidding yourself buttercup, you know damn well that if the investigation is anything short of blaming DAL, you and your ilk will still blame DAL.

When you're a hammer, all you see is nails. It's in your blood.

 

[townpete]

Again, that ATL door knocking campaign magically turned out 2k cards virtually overnight.

And magically pushed them into the fabled 60% signed cards.

Everyone knew that was highly suspect from day one.

 

[Kev3188]

 
 

Again, that ATL door knocking campaign magically turned out 2k cards virtually overnight.

According to who?

 

[blue collar]

Quit kidding yourself buttercup, you know damn well that if the investigation is anything short of blaming DAL, you and your ilk will still blame DAL.
When you're a hammer, all you see is nails. It's in your blood.

Kev is a smarter person than you give him credit for. Just because he is a union advocate doesn't make him blind to reason and facts... Unlike some other posters.

 

[WorldTraveler]

As long as Kev continues to cling to the notion that the company will be found to have done something wrong, he is more blinded than anyone else on here.

The simple fact is that DL doesn't have to do anything - it has enough of its own employees on both sides who will act.

Add in the IAM and it is a guarantee that the actions that took place happened without DL's involvement.

and even if some pro-non-union employees sabotaged the IAM's survey, that is not an illegal action. In contrast, forging cards - which Kevin someone still irrationally holds onto a notion that the company or its supporters did - is illegal.

 

[southwind]

Fraud questions raised in union-organizing drive at Delta
and
 
6:26 pm Delta Air Lines says it is encouraged by the National Mediation Board's decision to ask for DoJ review after the International Association of Machinists application dismissal
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 They would continue to use this info in the future to fan off other union drives at Delta.

And the problem with that is?

Or maybe you don't have a problem with crooked unions!

 

[southwind]

How the hell are they going to afford gas and tires now?