IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[Kev3188]

Dude, people have already tried contacting. NMB isn't going to do squat.
Why?
IAM voluntarily revoked the petition. Just repeat that until it sinks in.
People need to pound IAM for the real reason why.
NMB had nothing to do with it.

I know they themselves won't investigate due to the withdrawl. I assumed that went w/o saying with this audience.

Nevertheless, lots of people have lots of questions. Calling the number I listed may (or may not) help. I just put it out there. People can choose to do whatever they want with it.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, Kevin, the NMB has referred the case to the DOJ.


DL's press release on the DOJ review.

"We are very encouraged that this matter has been referred to the DOJ," said Joanne Smith, Delta's executive vice president and chief human resources officer. "At the time of the IAM filing in January, many flight attendants were raising questions regarding the validity of the authorization cards the IAM submitted to the NMB."



I would NOT want to be the person(s) who are found to have been involved in tampering with the cards. and there will very likely be DL employees who are named.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-encouraged-nmb-decision-ask-222200731.html

 

[Kev3188]

Refferd to the DOJ..

Good.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and I think you will find that what you were hoping to find will be just the opposite of what is found.

if there are indeed pro-union DL employees who were involved, the union movement at DL will be severely weakened.

Given the amount of computer and phone records that are available, it won't be hard to find who was involved.

And it may well be that the DOJ does the housecleaning for DL - or at least provide the evidence.

You'll get what you asked for - but it might not be what you really want

 

[Kev3188]

I'm hoping for the whole story to come out.

 

[townpete]

Where's the IAM Press release?


Crickets.....

 

[700UW]

I wouldnt be surprised if the NMB gave the IAM a head's up and the IAM is cooperating with the NMB and was asked to be quiet.
 
Its gonna get real now!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Except you are just guessing and the IAM has made no official statement. meanwhile DL put out a press release saying that they are glad the review is being launched. Kind of squashes the notion that DL had a corporate plan to interfere in the process.

I bet the temperature in a few MSP living rooms tonite is rather warm.

just a question for Kevin. What other representation cases have ended up in an investigation by the DOJ?

 

[Kev3188]

I wouldnt be surprised if the NMB gave the IAM a head's up and the IAM is cooperating with the NMB and was asked to be quiet.

Anything's possible.
 

Its gonna get real now!

 

Let's hope so.


 

Except you are just guessing and the IAM has made no official statement. meanwhile DL put out a press release saying that they are glad the review is being launched.

Would you expect them (or anyone, really) to say otherwise?

Kind of squashes the notion that DL had a corporate plan to interfere in the process.

Not really.

And at any rate, I expect that the C-Suite has plenty of layers between them and anything that may or may not have occurred.

I bet the temperature in a few MSP living rooms tonite is rather warm.

Yawn.

Keep driving that wedge, WT.

just a question for Kevin. What other representation cases have ended up in an investigation by the DOJ?

Couldn't tell you, and honestly don't care right now. I'm interested in what's happening with this election. Get thee to Google and check it out.

 

[townpete]

I wouldnt be surprised if the NMB gave the IAM a head's up and the IAM is cooperating with the NMB and was asked to be quiet.
 
Its gonna get real now!

You are right, it's gonna get real alright. Real embarrassing for the IAM since they have a history of filing fraudulent cards.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The C suite doesn't need to hide behind anything or anyone if they didn't falsify cards or engage in fraud.

It could be the IAM itself or it could have been overzealous pro-union DL employees. If it turns out that DL itself is found to have been involved, I guarantee you I will do smoething GRAND For you.... you get to name it.

You can't let go of your belief that DL did this and won't admit that the IAM and your own coworkers did, can you?

It's not a stereotype, Kevin. There have been people who have said where the calls came from. It also isn't hard to see who posts what on social media and where they are based. The DOJ can absolutely pull phone records. Perhaps there is a whole lot more pro-union aggressive activity throughout the system than I think, but I strongly believe that it will be shown to be heavily concentrated in and around MSP.

and I also think that the reason why DL is happy to see the DoJ investigate is because it will provide the cover for DL to get rid of some folks.

and if those folks aren't concerned about what could happen to them, then they are truly hard core and don't belong in DL uniforms.

and I will take your unwillingness to answer the question about what other representation elections have ended up in the DOJ as meaning there aren't many. I'm not trusting google searches to come up with answers to a question as important as this.

 

[townpete]

The latest howler is supposedly this is to be talked about on MSNBC.

For all the 5 people that watch the channel. lol

 

[BABABOOY]

The latest howler is supposedly this is to be talked about on MSNBC.
For all the 5 people that watch the channel. lol

Are they still on the air?

 

[P. REZ]

it says that neither you or they understand what I have said.for the 17th time - for the hard of comprehension - there will not be ONE investigation.if the IAM wants to investigate why it screwed up, then they will have to.if DL wants to figure out how its employees' employee numbers and phone numbers got in IAM hands, they will do that investigation.SEPARATELY.The NMB doesn't care. The IAM cancelled the card drive before an investigation could be launched. btw, it's amazing how you have reduced to a blubbering mouthpiece that takes the side of any position that is against me. After years of trying unsuccessfully argue against me on issues from one end of the aviation industry to another, you just hide out with the side that is most opposed to me even if it is as wrong as you were individually.at least you, Kevin, and 698 will go down in flames together.Enjoy the ride. The afterburner switch is, well, you'll figure it out. duh.if there were enough valid cards, then there would have been a vote.If there were not enough valid cards, then the NMB would be asking the IAM to explain why they turned in over 2000 invalid cards - at least 20% of the required number for a vote.Yes, Einstein, the NMB is not going to be fooled by anyone.and unlike you and your tagalong friend, when a union dumps 12K cards on the NMB and a huge number of them turn out to be invalid, they aren't asking the neighbors on 5th and Main for a reason.They are asking the party that submitted the application.and yes, the whole reason why the NMB looked as closely as it did is because there were many DL FAs who already contacted the NMB and said the IAM held fraudulent cards.

WT,

I have organized to get a Union in my workplace and there are many problems that arise when going through the process. Some employees want to mail the A card themselves, many are afraid that the Company will find out that they signed a card. Add in the fact that when you get a card back from an employee you have no idea if they put valid information on the card and signed with their normal signature. If someone who is helping you hands you some cards you can't know if they got them legitimately or not. In many cases, including mine, the Company didn't hand me a list of eligible employees systemwide much less their information.

When I see posts from individuals stating DL employees were saying all along there was fraud, it might be because they filled out a card incorrectly or mailed a bogus card. Let's not just assume that fraud was occurring from the Union.

Organizing is very tough and even though the drive I refer to was successful, I would say that maybe 20% of the employees I obtained signatures from were gained easily. The rest were afraid.

P. Rez

 

[xUT]

I wouldnt be surprised if the NMB gave the IAM a head's up and the IAM is cooperating with the NMB and was asked to be quiet.
 
Its gonna get real now!

Wouldn't that be collusion?
Thought that was illegal.
You know 700, sometimes you do unions more harm than good.
I know you don't see that and that is a real problem.
JMHO, your union mindset needs to be retooled.
B) xUT