IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[700UW]

At this point, I'm more interested in the scrutiny of the cards themselves; specifically the signatures, what DL used to submit them, and what threshold(s) were used to keep/toss any cards.

IMO, that's the jump off point of any investigation.

FAs have been contacting the NMB and the NMB is saying the IAM will not get the cards back, and FAs are questioning what signature DL provided as some of them havent signed stuff in years for HR.
 








 

Angela Winningham
16 hrs · Fort Lauderdale, FL







I called the office of Kate Dowling, NMB at 3PM. I spoke to the legal rep, who was alone,I told her,"I am concerned my card was thrown out because my signature is different than the signature Delta provided"
NMB- "Are you saying that you are concerned a card was forged in your name?"
Me- "Quite the opposite. I am concerned my card was thrown out and I did sign. I want representation."
NMB- "I see. Well, it's a moot point at this time. They have already withdrawn."
Me- "Oh. I see. So, you have already returned the cards to IAM?"
NMB- "No. We are not returning the cards. "
Me- "The cards are not going to be returned to IAM?"
NMB- "No"
Me- "Thank you for your time. Have a nice day."

At 3:30 PM, Marianne Bicksler called and spoke to the same person in the office of Kate Dowling, NMB
A similar conversation took place
Marianne- "28 years ago I signed my complete name. Today I sign MBicksler. Would that be grounds to throw out my card? If my signature does not match the one Delta provided. "
NMB- "Yes. Your card would be thrown out. "
Marianne-"Well that seems fraudulent. I should be aware of the signature Delta provided"
NMB - "Yes. I understand"
Marianne- "That is enough grounds for investigation."
NMB - "Yes. It could be."
Marianne- "so you are returning the cards?"
NMB - "No"
Marianne - "You would not be destroying any evidence, would you?" (Chuckle chuckle)
NMB - <silence>
Marianne -"right?"
NMB- "umm no. "
Marianne BICKSLER please correct anything, but I believe I got it spot on.






 
 

 

[Kev3188]

Oh and the rest of your post, it is amazingly sad how badly you are missing Kevs point right now. He isn't sticking up for the company or the IAM, he(and myself) only want to know how/why it happened. 

Well, you can't see what you don't want to, I guess.
 

All of those could have legal ramifications.

Yes they could. They could also lead to refroms w/r/t how elections are handled.

DL employees deserve to know the entire story...

 

[700UW]

Kev, more info:
 

 

 

[topDawg]

only because you can't admit that fundamentally the IAM and no one else is responsible for the failure of the card drive.

Whats it like knowing it all? 
 

Exactly.

I think a lot of people think they have a sort of immunity because they are doing what they think the company wants. I suspect some may find out soon that that's not necessarily true, and that even if it was, some actions are so eggregious (sp?) that they cannot be ignored, even if the company wants to.

As for "incomplete cards," I'd still like to know just what all was missing. Remember, not every field needs to be completed in order for a card to be considered valid under NMB rules...

agreed. illegally threatening employees is not ways to make friends. 
 
Good way to get a phone call telling you to STFU..... great way to get Delta sued and in trouble with the DOL. 
 

I have specifically said that DL has punished anti-union employees who have engaged in violence.

but using DL employee numbers in an IAM survey is a violation of DL and its employees' privacy BY IAM SUPPORTERS.

I'd like to know what was missing as well but even the IAM acknowledged that there incomplete fields and unreadable signatures which sounds very much like a kitchen table effort of a handful of people (in the dark if winter in MSP)

and we also have no idea how many DL FAs said they did not want to be represented by a union which would have to be considered by the NMB regardless of whether the NMB held a card for that employee or not.

Or it sounds like some company supporters thought signing cards with fake names would be cute...... (not cute but illegal) 

 

[BABABOOY]

Does anyone have the brain power to realize the IAM knows every single card would be signature verified by the NMB?

The IAM had nothing to do with fraudulent cards.

 
Do you possess this "brain power" that you preach about?
You.  The ONE who preached day in and day out the VIRTUES of the IAM?
You.   The ONE who just couldn't understand that Delta F/A's just weren't into the IAM?
You,  The OUTSIDER who tried to tell "US" Delta F/A's that we were stupid for not voting in the IAM?
You,  The one who day in and day out INSISTED that they had 12,000 cards signed?  
        when repeatedly been told their was a difference between 12000 cards and 12000 F/A's signing cards.
         
YOU have no credibility here.  
 

 
Are you still waiting for your talking points from the IAM? 
Crickets.....
 
Maybe the IAM higher ups didn't have anything to do with fraudulent cards
but look at the "grassroots" workers who were over eager to get the cards signed.
 
the fact is,  this is a INEPT, FAILED and BOGUS attempt by the IAM.
 
If the fraud was perpetuated NOT by the IAM, then why did they PULL OUT leaving 
YOU and those working for the IAM at Delta 
DAZED and CONFUSED.   
 
The dazed and confused are left rudderless by the IAM.  Totally abandoned.
They are throwing everything out to try to make something stick instead of
looking in the mirror.   
Typical mentality of "its everyones fault but our own".

 

[700UW]

I have specifically said that DL has punished anti-union employees who have engaged in violence.

but using DL employee numbers in an IAM survey is a violation of DL and its employees' privacy BY IAM SUPPORTERS.

I'd like to know what was missing as well but even the IAM acknowledged that there incomplete fields and unreadable signatures which sounds very much like a kitchen table effort of a handful of people (in the dark if winter in MSP)

and we also have no idea how many DL FAs said they did not want to be represented by a union which would have to be considered by the NMB regardless of whether the NMB held a card for that employee or not.

Your full of feces, DL cannot by law tell anyone that an employee was disciplined, that is confidential and secret under the law.

Maybe I should screenshot your threats and this post and send it to DL, you forget, a lot of people know who you are.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm threatening no one, dawg, unless you have broken laws or DL's rules which they DO have the right to enforce

you can't wrap your head around the fact that DL and every other company looks past a whole lot of things that employees do but could absolutely play by the rules and still find plenty of reason to get rid of employees if they wanted to.

You still can't accept that there were DL employees who broke DL's rules and DL does have the right to terminate them.

 

[Kev3188]

but using DL employee numbers in an IAM survey is a violation of DL and its employees' privacy BY IAM SUPPORTERS.

But an anti-labor person exhorting her coworkers to use other people's names & PPR's without their knowledge or consent is okay? Ok, got it.

I'd like to know what was missing as well but even the IAM acknowledged that there incomplete fields and unreadable signatures which sounds very much like a kitchen table effort of a handful of people (in the dark if winter in MSP)

Not to anyone that can see the big picture it doesn't.

BTW, what's the criteria for a "readable" signature? I'd have to say mine isn't. It's also changed significantly over the years. I'm willing to bet most peoples' have as well.

 

[topDawg]

I'm threatening no one, dawg, unless you have broken laws or DL's rules which they DO have the right to enforce

you can't wrap your head around the fact that DL and every other company looks past a whole lot of things that employees do but could absolutely play by the rules and still find plenty of reason to get rid of employees if they wanted to.

You still can't accept that there were DL employees who broke DL's rules and DL does have the right to terminate them.

You are putting more and more words in my mouth 
 
again, Delta can't fire people for being pro-union. Its that simple. 
 
You are threatening employees and now say Delta is going to find an excuse to fire a pro-union employee. not very smart.  

 

[700UW]

IMO you will see a change in the feature about A-Cards, too much will be made of this issue with the NMB, DL FAs arent sitting by and want answers.
 
And the process does need to be changed.

 

[Kev3188]

 The ONE who preached day in and day out the VIRTUES of the IAM?

Speaking of virtues, I'm. Still waiting to hear your thoughts on KLJ's "call to arms" on one of the BDBD sites.

Did you see it when she originally posted it?

If so, did you call her out on it?

Do you think she should be held accountable for violating written company policy?

 

[Kev3188]

IMO you will see a change in the feature about A-Cards, too much will be made of this issue with the NMB, DL FAs arent sitting by and want answers.
 
And the process does need to be changed.

Agreed on all counts.

 

[BABABOOY]

Speaking of virtues, I'm. Still waiting to hear your thoughts on KLJ's "call to arms" on one of the BDBD sites.

Did you see it when she originally posted it?

If so, did you call her out on it?

Do you think she should be held accountable for violating written company policy?

 
No, the first I have seen her post was actually on this page.
and believe it or not I'm not a regular on the FB page that she supposedly posted on.
 
I def believe Delta should look into this case as well as the many other cases of IAM supporters 
who illegally accessed our telephone numbers and addresses. 

 

[Kev3188]

Got it. Thank you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

You are putting more and more words in my mouth 
 
again, Delta can't fire people for being pro-union. Its that simple. 
 
You are threatening employees and now say Delta is going to find an excuse to fire a pro-union employee. not very smart.

 
I didn't say they can fire people for being pro-union. You can't seem to grasp that.

I have said that there are many requirements that DL is legally capable of imposing and that employees can be terminated for failing to do, regardless of where they stand on labor issues.


 

IMO you will see a change in the feature about A-Cards, too much will be made of this issue with the NMB, DL FAs arent sitting by and want answers.
 
And the process does need to be changed.

no one has doubted that... but let's be honest that the IAM would likely have never been able to ask for an election if many of these fraudulent cards didn't happen.

The IAM was painted in bad light because some of its supporters - and it very likely did involve pro-IAM DL employees - did things that are against DL's rules.

but it is ultimately the IAM that bears responsibility for its application.

and the NMB very well will entertain suggestions to tighten the card process.