Iam Strike Vote Soon....

[ualdriver]

When you are in a leadership postion and you talk about shared sacrafice,then I belive it is up to you to set an example.If I had to take a 75% pay cut to keep my job I probrably would.However when upper management asks me to take a paycut give up my pension take sick and vacation time from me and then tells me to take a paycut,while they get raises is not good leadship It is human nature to be a little pissy when others around you are not very trusting........

[post="263926"][/post]​

I'm not sure I know what you are talking about. What raise did upper management get recently? I've heard all the sabre rattling over at the AFA but have yet to see any numbers. I've asked my union leaders about the AFA's allegations but they either can't discuss it or are just waiting to see the numbers the AFA suggests they have. I do know that our upper management guys took their proportionate % of paycuts (even Tilton) like we all did, unless the AFA can prove otherwise. I do know that they received bonuses based upon just about the same criteria we're all going to get our bonuses upon. So if you have specific numbers concerning pay raises that upper management got and we didn't, I think we'd all love to see them!

 

[Jetlaagd]

UALDRIVER, Copy and paste the link. I am sure after you read it you will put your own spin on it.......http://www.unitedafa.org/res/b/cf/pdf/Akins%20Decl.%20(exclusivity)%20REDACTED.pdf

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Okay ualdriver -- put aside Tilton for the moment.

How can you justify Jake Brace still employed by UA?

And what development do you think will propel UA out of BK?

(something must happen before anybody commits new capital, and lower oil prices won't save UA, only draw this thing out longer.....)

 

[novaqt]

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but with the last round of pay cuts, the company created another column on the spread sheet called "success sharing". It seems to me, they moved a percentage decrease in wages and gives a percentage back if the company meets or exceeds the company quarterly targets under success sharing.

 

[ualdriver]

Okay ualdriver -- put aside Tilton for the moment.

How can you justify Jake Brace still employed by UA?

And what development do you think will propel UA out of BK?

(something must happen before anybody commits new capital, and lower oil prices won't save UA, only draw this thing out longer.....)

[post="263940"][/post]​

How can you justify Jack Brace leaving? What specific things has he done in the past that brought UAL to the point where it is today other than being one of the few management guys left that was part of the "old team?" I'm not willing to burn the house down just because I don't like Jack Brace when I know the vast majority of the "old team" is long gone.

What development will propel UA out of BK? Banks willing to loan UAL the money necessary to exit bankruptcy. Nothing else matters as long as they are lined up. The banks seems to believe that paycuts, pension cancellation and replacement, and the other cost cutting plans in place will be enough to make their interest payments and protect their collateral. Short of a successful strike, hull loss, terrorist attack, or other catastrophic economic event, I imagine we'll exit bankruptcy as planned. But who knows what the future holds?

 

[ualdriver]

UALDRIVER,              Copy and paste the link. I am sure after you read it you will put your own spin on it.......http://www.unitedafa.org/res/b/cf/pdf/Akins%20Decl.%20(exclusivity)%20REDACTED.pdf

[post="263939"][/post]​

No spin. I read it twice (and had to look up what "redacted" meant) and it is a fascinating document. If it's true, then I'm sure they'll have no problem convincing the judge of that fact and a correction will ultimately have to be made and their AFA economist will look like a hero. Let's wait and see?

 

[boeing787]

I support our machinists. If you strike'm put make sure you are effective. Regardless of all my other posts on here the line needs to be drawn not just for our sake but for the entire industrys sake. Good luck to all the workers and families involved. It isn't over yet but a strike would most certainly be the final dagger. Standing up for integrity is a lot more than our mgmt. could ever do. GO GET EM!

 

[TheDog2004]

Please strike and kill the zombie!

 

[UAL_TECH]

Please strike and kill the zombie!

[post="263954"][/post]​

Why?
When all the other unions in the industry have been on the teat and have been giving up their goodies freely?

Whore or Slut?
Depends on the semantics.

 

[Fly]

I'm positive the judge will say a strike is illegal. Then what?

 

[Bear96]

I agree with ualdriver.

 

[The Gopher]

Two big hurdles:
1. Court Injunction against striking unions.
2. Presidential Emergency Board.

Also legal precident has benn set in the case against the union for striking under 1113 proceedings, since a strike can only occur after a 30 day cooling off period under the RLA. Remember the case against the APA after the AA sick-out following the Reno Air acquisition? $45 MILLION bucks. Imagine that, after all the sword rattling and chest-puffing that a short strike ensued with PEB and court intervention, and the IAM or AMFA had to pay back $20-$40 MILLION... and they raised your dues to do it. Even if dues remained static, you union would be significantly weaker as a result for many years.

Related Court Cases:
http://www.airlinesafety.com/editorials/editorial4.htm

Supreme Court refuses to overturn $45 mil judgement against APA:
http://www.globalethics.org/newsline/membe...=03050114373798

 

[goingboeing]

I'm positive the judge will say a strike is illegal. Then what?

[post="264129"][/post]​

How can a strike be illegal if UAL has abragated the agreement with the Unions in BK court?
There would be no labor agreement thus the employees could exercise self-help methods.

Federal agents cannot make me go to work.I go because I freely choose to go to work.If enough employees choose not to show up for work then there is nothing UAL can do other than ask the BK court to fine the Unions that represent them. Can you say Eastern Airlines?

 

[goingboeing]

Two big hurdles:
1. Court Injunction against striking unions.
2. Presidential Emergency Board.

Also legal precident has benn set in the case against the union for striking under 1113 proceedings, since a strike can only occur after a 30 day cooling off period under the RLA. Remember the case against the APA after the AA sick-out following the Reno Air acquisition? $45 MILLION bucks. Imagine that, after all the sword rattling and chest-puffing that a short strike ensued with PEB and court intervention, and the IAM or AMFA had to pay back $20-$40 MILLION... and they raised your dues to do it. Even if dues remained static, you union would be significantly weaker as a result for many years.

Related Court Cases:
http://www.airlinesafety.com/editorials/editorial4.htm

Supreme Court refuses to overturn $45 mil judgement against APA:
http://www.globalethics.org/newsline/membe...=03050114373798

[post="264146"][/post]​

This is the rest of the story.
You neglected to include the results of the $45mil fine against APA.This was for an illegal sick-out not a strike.
The APA was able to use this $45mil judgement against them to their ADVANTAGE during the wage concessions of 2003.As part of the agreement of the APA to accept concessions AA dropped the $45mil judgement against the APA.


I have seen the RLA topic debated on cable news by legal professionals that are split on the opinion whether or not the RLA applies to labor groups that have no agreement with a Company.
According to them this has yet been tested in the courts so it is anyones guess how a strike by a labor group with no contract would be handled in the courts.

It is the decision of the UAL employees only to decide how to respond to Glenn Tilton's disregard for labor agreements.I wish the employees of UAL well and am NOT ANTI-UAL as some have accused me of on this forum.

I had enough liking for UAL after 9/11 2001 I bought 25 shares of stock in UAL and lost every penny when they filed for chapter 11.
UAL has a long,proud history of being a great airline and I hate to see some jackass like Tilton ruin all of it.
There is enough room on the playground for a [non-BK UAL] and AA to both play.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

People are soo afraid of the RLA! The RLA was put on the airline industry during the days of regulation. Well those days are over and the RLA is null and void as far as I'm concerned! We need to have a national airline walkout now!