Cav Although I respect your belief and resolve, One would have to ask, is this the type of organization you want representing you. I mean if the resolve has been set , and before the "plan " has been presented to you, and IAM doesnt care to hear anything, isnt that legally wrong? Isnt there a fudiciary duty as it is with US board to protect your jobs, money value?? I find it hard to believe they would be willing to risk every single job. I understand the company has done things that has fostered the lack of trust, but unfortunatly for you and I and others, we have very little choice here. Iam isnt a bunch of nuts. They are aware of their groups anger, and on the other hand knows in the end what has to be done regardless. To sit back and think IAM will do nothing other than just chat about the way the other side can save money, is being in total denial . Reality will dictate what happens in the end. In reality you see, yours or my vote doesnt count. There will be a price to pay either wayYou see if you as a group turn down talks and refuse to do anything, the outcome is simple. Reality dictates that this company will not allow a group to destroy the company. (not meaning IAM will, Im talking in general terms here so dont take that wrong plz)We will survive or fail. Plain and simple. Im not saying either yours or mine opinion is right or wrong, however it is just that.You will and I will have a vote more than likely if anything were to be sent to us. There you can democratically cast your opinion and vote. As with life, there will be consequences.An opinion! Thanks!