IAM M&R CONTRACT UPDATE AUG-2013

[Tim Nelson]

You are lying once again Timothy.
 
I voted no in 2002 and 2003 in the first and second round of concessions in Chapter 11 part one.
 
I wasnt on the NC nor involved with what was going on in that case.
 
In bankruptcy part 2, Judge Mitchell abrogated our CBA and forced the IAM to vote on the company's final offer, which like I said, was a moot point as he was going to impose it anyhow.
 
So you are saying the court records are lies?
 
 
 
 
The only liar is you once again.
 
And in Bankruptcy part 2, I also voted no on the final offer and campaigned against it.
 
So keep up the lies timothy.
 
How are those escorts in IAH doing?

I'm answering a question without giving him all the BS you are.  The man asked if the MX voted and ratified their contracts.  THe answer is yes, with the one exception with your leaders said "Our mechanics are confused." 
 
Nobody asked you how you voted or what your actions were in some of the shaddy dealings that may have led to your departure.

 

[700UW]

Here you go again with the lies, if you are going to make an accusation then back it up. You are lying again, we have been over this, so put up or admit you lied again. So go ahead with your lies about the 1725, lets hear it so I have proof of your lies.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here you go again with the lies, if you are going to make an accusation then back it up. You are lying again, we have been over this, so put up or admit you lied again. So go ahead with your lies about the 1725, lets hear it so I have proof of your lies.

what was your part in the clt investigations? Come clean?

 

[700UW]

I have nothing to come clean about, why dont you post your lies so I can put an end to it.
 
I have the Ace in the hole, so go ahead,. post your lies then I can show the board the liar you truly are.
 
And I have no idea about any kind of investigations in CLT except the DOL Audit for the dues objectors.
 
So come on Timmy post your lies.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have nothing to come clean about, why dont you post your lies so I can put an end to it.
 
I have the Ace in the hole, so go ahead,. post your lies then I can show the board the liar you truly are.
 
And I have no idea about any kind of investigations in CLT except the DOL Audit for the dues objectors.
 
So come on Timmy post your lies.

Why did you have to leave? Tell the truth.
 
And stop making the MX sound like idiots on other pages.  You were the one who was a negotiator and didn't even read the language. You didn't even know you contracted out your own department until afterwards when you scrambled and then reversed yourself and voted no. But it was too late.  

 

[700UW]

Here we go again. You made the accusation now Ba k it up or retract it. How many times do you have to be told the same thing?

I was a stock clerk, not utility. We never reached sn agreement, the CBA was abrogated by judge Mitchell.

Now back up your lies.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here we go again. You made the accusation now Ba k it up or retract it. How many times do you have to be told the same thing?I was a stock clerk, not utility. We never reached sn agreement, the CBA was abrogated by judge Mitchell.Now back up your lies.

Again, why wont you answer the questions? And werent you a part of that coverup in 1725 where the deal was for you to excuse yourself? Do you care to talk about the investigation leading to your departure?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

700UW & Tim Nelson
 
Is it both of your intention, to further distract from the point of this thread, the mechanics don't need that. And from what I have read Tim you are running for some union position.
 
Wouldn't it serve the members to be discussing what is current on the table. The good and bad of this T/A. 
 
How this will effect them going forward and what the best way to address each of the companies proposals.
 
The mechanics at US need to read what is there ask about what they don't understand.
So that when it comes time to vote they can make the best choice for themselves a Y or N?
 
Explain why the voting process, is being done the way it is. Appears to set up to insure a passing vote WHY?
 
Why if your on a field trip making premium money, and had a C/S scheduled you would go back to straight time rate for the time you were supposed to be working for some one?
 
Why would you except having to pay for your uniforms?
 
Why would you have language that would let company assign you to work in a lower classification?
 
A few dollars of pay which still puts you below the AA mechanics is not a good thing.
But any raise in pay can be looked at as a positive.
 
I hope that US Mechanics think long and hard about what this T/A means for the future
of our joint class and craft. 
 
Did the IAM in your minds bring you what you feel you deserve?
Will voting in this give you a bit more money? Only to hurt you down the road?
 
It is UP to the mechanics at US to read and understand why each of the other groups got what they did offered and you didn't get the same. Why the Line got protection language and NO base protection was there? Is it the companies/unions way of splitting the vote? Did the IAM get told some thing that it is hiding from the members about the future of the bases?
 
Before the TWU/IAM association gets to file ask your selves is this what will benefit our class and craft going forward?
 
Get involved in your future Don't let the distractors sell you a T/A, that will hurt you.
 
AMFA at the NEW AA in 2014

 

[700UW]

First of all I have asked several times to back up your accusations with facts.
 
If you cant provide the facts then there is no reason for me to answer you at all.
 
I have no clue nor any idea of any investigation that occurred at 1725, I didnt leave 1725.
 
I didnt hold any officer positions at 1725 I was the Editor and I was DL 142 Communicator, I was a Trustee and Recording Secretary in the past .
 
So once again, back up your accusation you are making against me.
 
You arent even smart enough to cover your lies, so go ahead and show me and the board the lies.
 
I have an ace in the hole, so bring it forth so I can show the board once and for all that you are a liar and I will address it with the appropriate channels.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700UW & Tim Nelson
 
Is it both of your intention, to further distract from the point of this thread, the mechanics don't need that. And from what I have read Tim you are running for some union position.
 
Wouldn't it serve the members to be discussing what is current on the table. The good and bad of this T/A. 
 
How this will effect them going forward and what the best way to address each of the companies proposals.
 
The mechanics at US need to read what is there ask about what they don't understand.
So that when it comes time to vote they can make the best choice for themselves a Y or N?
 
Explain why the voting process, is being done the way it is. Appears to set up to insure a passing vote WHY?
 
Why if your on a field trip making premium money, and had a C/S scheduled you would go back to straight time rate for the time you were supposed to be working for some one?
 
Why would you except having to pay for your uniforms?
 
Why would you have language that would let company assign you to work in a lower classification?
 
A few dollars of pay which still puts you below the AA mechanics is not a good thing.
But any raise in pay can be looked at as a positive.
 
I hope that US Mechanics think long and hard about what this T/A means for the future
of our joint class and craft. 
 
Did the IAM in your minds bring you what you feel you deserve?
Will voting in this give you a bit more money? Only to hurt you down the road?
 
It is UP to the mechanics at US to read and understand why each of the other groups got what they did offered and you didn't get the same. Why the Line got protection language and NO base protection was there? Is it the companies/unions way of splitting the vote? Did the IAM get told some thing that it is hiding from the members about the future of the bases?
 
Before the TWU/IAM association gets to file ask your selves is this what will benefit our class and craft going forward?
 
Get involved in your future Don't let the distractors sell you a T/A, that will hurt you.
 
AMFA at the NEW AA in 2014

AMFA will run out of time for sure.  I work directly next to LAA mx and they all signed up in ORD for LAA AMFA but there will be an association vote in a couple months and that means that AMFA will not be able to even ask for an election for another 2 years.  So, all the AMFA talk is really just a distraction.  I think the IAM has really hosed a lot of members, and I can't see how any MX can vote for the latest MX agreement,  but the association protects the US AIRWAYS MX seniority and that's very important to any airline member. Now isn't the time for AMFA for IAM members.  At LAA, they are scared of being tossed into the IAMPF and have signed a lot of AMFA cards due to that.  True, the IAMPF is terrible as it can be cut without your control at any time, but reducing everthing down to a single issue doesn't seem smart.

 

[blue collar]

AMFA will run out of time for sure.  I work directly next to LAA mx and they all signed up in ORD for LAA AMFA but there will be an association vote in a couple months and that means that AMFA will not be able to even ask for an election for another 2 years.  So, all the AMFA talk is really just a distraction.  I think the IAM has really hosed a lot of members, and I can't see how any MX can vote for the latest MX agreement,  but the association protects the US AIRWAYS MX seniority and that's very important to any airline member. Now isn't the time for AMFA for IAM members.  At LAA, they are scared of being tossed into the IAMPF and have signed a lot of AMFA cards due to that.  True, the IAMPF is terrible as it can be cut without your control at any time, but reducing everthing down to a single issue doesn't seem smart.

The seniority for US members was never in doubt. This merger isn't like previous mergers with AA. If anything, now IS the time for AMFA- that way you're not stuck in negotiations for a JCBA with the alliance.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

AMFA will run out of time for sure.  I work directly next to LAA mx and they all signed up in ORD for LAA AMFA but there will be an association vote in a couple months and that means that AMFA will not be able to even ask for an election for another 2 years.  So, all the AMFA talk is really just a distraction.  I think the IAM has really hosed a lot of members, and I can't see how any MX can vote for the latest MX agreement,  but the association protects the US AIRWAYS MX seniority and that's very important to any airline member. Now isn't the time for AMFA for IAM members.  At LAA, they are scared of being tossed into the IAMPF and have signed a lot of AMFA cards due to that.  True, the IAMPF is terrible as it can be cut without your control at any time, but reducing everthing down to a single issue doesn't seem smart.

 
 
Tim
 
No matter what is in the IAM T/A do you really believe that the numbers at AA are not going to determine what happens, come on. The Assoc. is going to keep both unions in place just long enough to collect dues.
Then when the Next contract negotiations start we will be in the same place as the CAL/UAL guys,
"in fighting". About what should be kept and with both unions having equal members on the nego. team it will be yrs just like at UAL.  It will be faster for the M&E to shed both unions merge under Mckaskil Bond by occupational, seniority that way a US mechanic gets his full seniority, merged with AA mechanics in his class and craft and we move toward a JCBA as one union.
 
Title 1 with title 1 and the Auto/utility/Facilities title 2 get merged with thier full time as well in that title group. Both Title 1 & 2 will be represented by the same union. We are hoping that will be AMFA.
 
So Now is time for the mechanics to sign AMFA cards. No matter what they ( THE MECHANICS ) decide on this T/A. That is for them and them only not ramp, or stores to influence.
 
Store is also its own class and craft and they too could if they wanted too shed the IAM.
 
Choose wisely what you want to do with this T/A, this is your lives. READ what they are offering, But do us all a favor as well sign a card so that we can stop this Association from going forward and ruining our class and craft for the entire industry.
 
AMFA at AA in 2014

 

[1AA]

Reason number 3,945,458,999,343 why we need our own union.
 
Click and just read the post.
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57362-twu-international-visit-to-jfk/?p=1102291

 

[AP Tech]

I did happen to make the contract info meeting a my station the other day.  Three IAM guys were there for the sell, have to say I walked away more pissed off than when I entered.....One kept referring to Delta getting a 4% annual raise(to keep the union out) and that should help us at USAir when the step up review takes place next Sept. If I here the phrase "its a good starting point for next negotiation" I will become ill..... I just have to wonder if those on the negotiation committee always take the first price offered by the salesman when buying new car?  Hoping the membership is smart enough to vote this thing down......One think for sure, if it passes I plan on saving some $$$ in becoming a dues objector...just not getting any bang for the buck with the IAM.  Its has become to much of a company union....

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

AMFA will run out of time for sure.  I work directly next to LAA mx and they all signed up in ORD for LAA AMFA but there will be an association vote in a couple months and that means that AMFA will not be able to even ask for an election for another 2 years.  So, all the AMFA talk is really just a distraction.  I think the IAM has really hosed a lot of members, and I can't see how any MX can vote for the latest MX agreement,  but the association protects the US AIRWAYS MX seniority and that's very important to any airline member. Now isn't the time for AMFA for IAM members.  At LAA, they are scared of being tossed into the IAMPF and have signed a lot of AMFA cards due to that.  True, the IAMPF is terrible as it can be cut without your control at any time, but reducing everthing down to a single issue doesn't seem smart.

 
Tim, I'm curious just how you come to the conclusion that AMFA "will run out of time for sure".
 
The 1 year ban due to the ibts shenanigans expires in August - That's next month.
 
There has been no STS determination yet. If AMFA files on American before an investigation is called for, a subsequent filing won't stop an election if AMFA has enough cards - in other words the Alliance cant use an STS filing to block AMFA if AMFA files on AA first.  That said, even if the IAM/TWU call for one, before AMFA files on AA, AMFA continues to collect cards during the investigation and will be able to file as an intervenor if/when the Alliance petitions for an election.