How Obama repeatedly ignored warnings about ISIS

[Ifly2]

First, We have a name for that when they do it.

Second, oil was going to pau for the Iraq invasion and colonization, remember?

Didn't work, did it?

Now your kids and grandchildren are going to pay for it, and it only made the mess worse.

A much stronger military campaign strictly against ISIS I am all for

And, then we have to do something we haven't been willing to do since Japan and Germany, and that is pony up for something to constructively fill the vacuum we create. That means legitimate government and a legitimate reconstruction of a viable country and a viable educated employed middle class.

In Europe and Japan the foundation was there and the people amenable to and desirous of that and willing to work hard for a distant improvement.

In the frontier areas of Iraq, Afghanistan etc that is something that has never existed, and that the people and especially the people in power do not understand or value or want or know how to make work.

So we gotta' stick around doing peaceful stuff like educating the girls and figuratively teaching them to fish for however many generations it takes, at whatever cost. Elsewise, it just blows up again.

If you want to eradicate Islam, figure on several hundred years' of brutal occupation.

Again, we have a name for that sort of thing when we are afraid that they are trying to do it.

 

[townpete]

Since the president has ISIS contained, those 10,000 Syrian refugees must be coming here for ObamaCare's open enrollment period.

lol

 

[EastUS1]

If you want to eradicate Islam, figure on several hundred years' of brutal occupation.

 
Oh hardly. No more than 2 to 3 generations at most, and well worth the effort I'd say, at least based on ALL of history since that murderous pestilence was first loosed on the world. Any group that's literally bent on world conquest will either be defeated or victorious....period. It's largely the choice of the western world which way that finally goes.

 

[Ifly2]

Ever read Hal Moore's second book?

The bit about the timeline in the museum of history

Wrong hemisphere, same idea

Peoples', as in a culture's or religion's or a people's memories are long.

These are peoples fighting over a 1,300 year old argument. There are others at war over "their land" that hasn't been "their land" for over a 1,000 years and has been occupied multiple times by multiple conquerers. 1/3 of Europe was wiped out over mere insults between different brands of Christians, and World Wars started over insults.

We don't trust the Japanese or the Germans after 70 years, and you think we can eradicate the culture and religion of 23% of the world's population - 1.57 billion people - and convert them to western democratic christian values, in less?

Sorry, but History doesn't support that conclusion and I don't believe it.

I don't think many of your countrymen do either, as they pretty overwhelmingly are for getting the hell out of the policing the ME business

 

[southwind]

"And what’s been interesting is, in the aftermath of Paris, as I listen to those who suggest something else needs to be done, typically the things they suggest need to be done are things we are already doing. The one exception is that there have been a few who suggested that we should put large numbers of U.S. troops on the ground.
And keep in mind that we have the finest military in the world and we have the finest military minds in the world, and I’ve been meeting with them intensively for years now, discussing these various options, and it is not just my view but the view of my closest military and civilian advisors that that would be a mistake — not because our military could not march into Mosul or Raqqa or Ramadi and temporarily clear out ISIL, but because we would see a repetition of what we’ve seen before, which is, if you do not have local populations that are committed to inclusive governance and who are pushing back against ideological extremes, that they resurface — unless we’re prepared to have a permanent occupation of these countries.
And let’s assume that we were to send 50,000 troops into Syria. What happens when there’s a terrorist attack generated from Yemen? Do we then send more troops into there? Or Libya, perhaps? Or if there’s a terrorist network that’s operating anywhere else — in North Africa, or in Southeast Asia?"

BaRack forgot to add letting in un-vetted refugees into the U.S.
Who cares if a few terrorists slip in with the refugees and manage to take out a couple of hundred of American Citizens........$h!t happens!

 

[Ifly2]

BaRack forgot to add letting in un-vetted refugees into the U.S.

If you have evidence that any one is suggesting allowing unvetted refugees would you care to share it with the class?

Refugee has a legal meaning vis a vis immigration, and a process In US Immigration Law.

 

[delldude]

If you have evidence that any one is suggesting allowing unvetted refugees would you care to share it with the class?

Refugee has a legal meaning vis a vis immigration, and a process In US Immigration Law.

 
They call them Syrian.....FBI, Greek heads and several others are on record saying these people cannot be properly vetted. No databases exist. The only way they could be known is if they were on a previous list of known terrorists.
 
That simple.
Thats all the concern in a nutshell.

 

[Ifly2]

That's an answer to a different question

Care to answer the one I asked?

 

[delldude]

That's an answer to a different question

Care to answer the one I asked?

 
Obama.
 
You should realize by now he never lies.

 

[southwind]

That's an answer to a different question
Care to answer the one I asked?

Care to show us where the vetting process is 100% reliable? Or again, is the possibility of a few hundred lost American lives acceptable, in your book?

 

[townpete]

DHS Knew Illegal Aliens Falsely Claimed “Credible Fear” to Stay in U.S.http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...falsely-claimed-credible-fear-to-stay-in-u-s/
 
The Obama administration let hundreds of illegal immigrants stay in the U.S. even though federal authorities knew in advance that an open borders group coached them to falsely claim “credible fear” to get asylum, according to documents obtained by Judicial Watch from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).
 
And people wonder why the govt can't be trusted with they say rigorous "vetting" of Syrian immigrants will be done.

 

[townpete]

That's some vetting.....
 
Local refugees deported for violent crimes
Debate over Syrian refugees puts spotlight on vetting process
 
To get into the U.S., each went through a vetting process that took two years, but an alarming number got kicked out of the country for committing aggravated felonies, including dozens of assaults, sex crimes, drug crimes and homicides.

 

[Ifly2]

Obama.
 
You should realize by now he never lies.

That too

Wanna try again?

 

[Ifly2]

Care to show us where the vetting process is 100% reliable? Or again, is the possibility of a few hundred lost American lives acceptable, in your book?

That wasn't the question either

Wanna try again?

 

[Ifly2]

I can guarantee a few hundred Americans will die either way

Can you guarantee that not accepting refugees will prevent that?