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So lets hear from our passengers that post on here. How long are you willing to hold to make a reservation or ask a question? Seems like average hold is about 45 minutes. I could see if we were having weather problems. Well lets see if anyone has a solution to this problem!!!!!!!!............
 
Called Hertz Worldwide reservations today, phone rang once and the call was over within 3 min....
 
Maybe there were the usual problems in PHL so the lines were tied up taking care of people whos trip was messed up. Also..I don't think its very economical to run a rez center..US is probably trying to drive people away from res so they don't really care about long hold times.
 
Maybe there were the usual problems in PHL so the lines were tied up taking care of people whos trip was messed up. Also..I don't think its very economical to run a rez center..US is probably trying to drive people away from res so they don't really care about long hold times.

????? huh ?????
 
mp863 said:
Maybe there were the usual problems in PHL so the lines were tied up taking care of people whos trip was messed up. Also..I don't think its very economical to run a rez center..US is probably trying to drive people away from res so they don't really care about long hold times.
Reservations is one of the few places in the company that actually generates revenue. Its hard to generate revenue when you can't get a person on the line.
 
USAirUnited said:
Reservations is one of the few places in the company that actually generates revenue.
Reservations doesn't generate revenue. People don't pay money because they like the sound of the human's voice. Reservations collects revenue. What generates revenue is the movement of people and their belongings from place to place.

This is not to suggest that reservations is of no value. It's just that statements such as yours do not accurately reflect the customers' perceived value creation.
 
mweiss said:
Reservations doesn't generate revenue.
I beg to differ with you Michael. I do indeed generate revenue for this company. There are many situations when psgrs call with the intent to just find out basic info about a possible trip they might want to take, and once the call is over, I have their credit card and HAVE GENERATED REVENUE for US Airways.

Yes, we are "order takers" most of the time (usually when US.com isn't working!!)...but many of us are sales oriented and try hard to take that shopper and make a sale!!
 
When calling a company as a customer, my limit is about 2 minutes.
 
What generates revenue is the movement of people and their belongings from place to place.

LETS NOT FORGET ALL STARTS WITH A PHONE CALL. WITHOUT THE PHONE CALL THERE IS NO MOVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!MOST OF THE TIME THE BELONGINGS ARE LOST, GENERATES YET ANOTHER PHONE CALL!!!!!!!!!!!



When calling a company as a customer, my limit is about 2 minutes.


THanks for sticking to the question, 2 Minutes... LOL... Maybe at 4 in the morning on a good day!!!!!!!
 
Running a call center outsourcer, it gives me a bit of insight into the whole hold time issue. Some say that they will only hold for 2 minutes and then they hang up. That is pretty much true. For one of my largest clients, which does Wi-Fi hotspotting across the US and at many of the airports in the country (yes I know Wi-Fi Support and Airline Res are completely different, but work with me here)...it is amazing how impatient people can be.

We look at an average of around 20% of all inbound calls to be dropped. This has been the norm over the last few months for this client. When break down those calls...we do it in a few categories: Under 1min 30 sec, 1:30 to 3:00min; 3 to 4:30 min; 4:30 to 6 and then over 6. The two biggest categories tend to be the first (under 1:30) and the last over 6 minutes. Of the dropped calls, we see around 50% of those drop in the first minute and a half. These are simply people that are impatient and expect to get right in to someone with no wait time. We are then looking at 20-30% of those dropped to happen after the 6 minute mark.

So what? The key figure to look at is pretty much anything for 4 minutes and definitely over 6 minutes. If you are not running a queue as a call center, you aren't making money. However, you don't want to run queue times that are so long that people end up waiting 5...10...15...25 minutes. So for a call center operation, it is hard to find a happy medium of a small queue so people aren't waiting forever and that your agents aren't sitting there bored out of their mind on Pogo. Going back to the queue time limits...anyone who hangs up under that 4 minute mark are typically people that want things right here and right now and have a completely unrealistic understanding of call centers. I'm happy to say our average queue time is right around 1 minute for the current measurement period - but yes there are times when you can get a very long queue time (15 minutes or more)...peaks happen for no reason. You just have to roll with it.

Hearing of extremely long hold times when getting a hold of Res is nothing but a failure of the people U has running their reservations call centers. What is probably even more concerning is the amount of money being lost for those long queue times and dropped calls. Remember, the company still has to pay their LD carrier for that inbound call that is sitting on hold.

If such poor performance continues, U really needs to look at revisiting the management of the call centers or a whole new solution all together. The problem is, if you are going the outsourcing route...learn from the mistakes of others. Stay away from off shore and international call centers. Also try to stick with companies that have results and not so much the glitz and glam of multi-million dollar call centers. It all comes down to a productive, relaxed, and even fun environment for all the employees to really make it work. Also effective scheduling, call routing, and training to help bring those queue times down and make sure more calls are getting answered and the customer being served.

Unfortunately, only a slim minority of call center outfits share the same vision as I. I mean...you find another company where the management has the ability to jump on the phones at a moments notice to help out when queues get a little bit too big. Naturually in a unionized environment that isn't accepted...but then that is when it comes down to an effective working environment where there aren't any politics and everyone is on the same playing field when it comes to working the floor.
 
RumorS said:
WITHOUT THE PHONE CALL THERE IS NO MOVEMENT
In many cases, you're right, though I usually buy my tickets online because I can look at more options more quickly.

Regardless, this is when the discussion degenerates into the pissing match where everyone seems to believe that they are the only reason anyone ever pays money to their employer.

Fundamentally, you have to ask yourself why people are choosing to part with their cash. They're not buying a phone call; they're buying transportation.

Yes, some calls become opportunities to give the last nudge necessary to close the deal. But the deal is transportation, not conversation.

And, in answer to the question raised waaaay up there, it depends. If I am making a new purchase, two minutes tops. If I am trying to get an emergency reroute, maybe five if I'm at an airport, but much longer if I'm not. If I am trying to get an upgrade to clear, I'll wait longer, but I just get some work done while I'm on hold.
 
One person is to blame for all the trouble in the reservations deparment but continues to you miss-manage the operation.
Kerry Carstairs.
 
dfw79, have you found a difference in the dropoff rate when the customers are informed of the length of the queue at the beginning of the call?
 
mweiss said:
dfw79, have you found a difference in the dropoff rate when the customers are informed of the length of the queue at the beginning of the call?
We did a couple tests for this. For one of our clients that provides Wi-Fi access in hotels across the pacific northwest, we did a couple different scenerios.

Set a recording for estimated wait time starting at 2 minutes. We noticed a significant amount of people hung up under 1:30. When we increased it to 4 minutes, they hung on the line a tad longer.

Now we went a step further and removed the estimated wait time all together and it has varied by company that we did it to. With the one i'm using as an example, dropped calls under 4 minutes went up quite a bit with very few calls dropped over 6 minutes. What does this mean? Essentially we took it as it weeded out the callers that weren't going to hang on the line regardless of the estimated wait time and the people that were going to wait - did.

We also have another feature which sends callers into an IVR that will actually offer basic troubleshooting for the most common problems. We do have an option on the initial menu that allows callers to "continue without listening" - in otherwords by pass the 70 second recording and go straight to an agent, without saying that exactly. Of 400 calls so far...90 people have went on to listen to the help information and only a couple dozen of those people actually continued on to an agent.

The end result...people want to speak to a human for help, but aren't willing to wait very long. Unfortunately this means a call center will need to have more people on the phones for those random peaks - which will increase costs. The typical consumers' idea of how a call center should handle their calls are just completely unrealistic from a cost perspective unless the customer wants to pay more for it. As far as this client of ours is concerned...they wanted to provide a different level of service than basic troubleshooting and told us to spend as much time with the client as possible. Their average call times went from the 6 to 7 range to well over 11 minutes. The impact on them was several more thousands of dollars per month on their bill. They have since reconsidered their decision as it is negatively effecting their business.

Sometimes you just need to know when to say enough is enough...but also be sure that you have an operation that is still as effective as it can be.
 
mweiss said:
Fundamentally, you have to ask yourself why people are choosing to part with their cash. They're not buying a phone call. . .

Yes, some calls become opportunities to give the last nudge necessary to close the deal. But the deal is transportation, not conversation.
Good Grief! Nobody things they are "buying a phone call!" The whole emphasis in reservations at U historically has been NOT to be an "order taker" but to use sales tools. Obviously customers have choices between products and BELIEVE me MsWEISS (even though I know you know everything already), that customer service does matter and if Joe public is calling all the airlines, and one rep stands out, and is helpful and professional, that can MANY times make the difference between flying on U or the next carrier in the phone book!!!
 

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