HHD

[aptboeses]

Not to be rude or offensive but have you ever heard of someone called Mr. Obvious? I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure that this is where common sense kicks in.. I'm not sure of other airlines but as for the old US common sense, professionalism, and situational awareness were pretty much a standard requirement for getting a second interview. "Leading by example" boy weren't those the days!

And the saying that common sense isn't all that common also applies. I believe we ALL experience that every time we fly.

The sharpie "informational" notes all over the aircraft are becoming a bit over done. I was on an A330 that had flush written and an arrow drawn to the flush button in all the main cabin lavatories. Then I saw the tail number written on the aircraft door, above the aircraft door, the lav wall, the galley wall, the outside HHD compartment door and on the inside of the HHD compartment door. Call me crazy but isn't that just a bit too much? When in doubt can't one just call or go up front and look at the CML to get that info?

When it comes to damaged HHDs I do believe the company had figured a certain amount of damaged or inop units would occur. It now seems as if they were unprepared for the large number that actually occurred. Much like Monitor and Challenge they have underestimated how difficult it is to change years of habit. I fear what people will do when US go cashless.

 

[PHX-F/A]

Then I presume those individuals have been terminated, as any well-run management group would have done? Or, are you just making this up?

How does one remove the battery in order to "short" it?

You can remove the SIM card? How?

It is way too immature, and common, to always blame the end-user, though it does seem a constant theme of Dilbert. Which came first, tempe or Dilbert?

The battery is removed by moving the slide latches and then lifting it off of the HHD. It can be shorted out by dropping it in a cup of water or a sink of water.
This SIM card is under the battery.

Until recently, we were instructed to remove the battery after every flight.

A well run company does in fact terminate people for destructive behavior. It's difficult to terminate a f/a for this type of behavior because there has to be some sort of witness. Co Workers almost never do this because they will get a reputation in the workforce for being a "narc"

 

[ussnark]

The battery is removed by moving the slide latches and then lifting it off of the HHD. It can be shorted out by dropping it in a cup of water or a sink of water.
This SIM card is under the battery.

Until recently, we were instructed to remove the battery after every flight.

A well run company does in fact terminate people for destructive behavior. It's difficult to terminate a f/a for this type of behavior because there has to be some sort of witness. Co Workers almost never do this because they will get a reputation in the workforce for being a "narc"

Thanks for your misinformation. Never were FAs instructed to "remove batteries". Ever.

Try shorting a battery in water. I think you will be surprised. Actually, you might gain some useful knowledge you apparently lack.

A well run company would check each unit and be able to narrow down any person of interest quite easily, if they were not so cheap and pathetic.

Management's true advantage seems to be the ability to completely mess up a one car funeral. And you are quite good at that, I must say. When you die, you can say, yes, "I was really good at messing up a one car funeral". Good for you for being good at something.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks for your misinformation. Never were FAs instructed to "remove batteries". Ever.

That's odd - all the instructions say:

Anytime a crew leaves an aircraft:
• Due to an aircraft swap
• At end of the trip
• For an overnight
regardless of the time of day, they are to remove the batteries from all
HHDs and place them in the vinyl battery pouches located in the HHD
stowage location. This ensures the batteries will be regularly charged.

As for dropping a battery in water, you're technically correct if you're talking about pure water since it's a pretty good insulator. I don't know where you'd find pure water on an airplane, though, and even good city water (where does that potable water come from???) is about 1,000 times more conductive than pure water.

Who knows...maybe one day you'll actually know what you're talking about before lecturing someone else about how wrong they are.

Jim

 

[Elevation]

ussnark...pwned :bleh:

 

[ussnark]

Who knows...maybe one day you'll actually know what you're talking about before lecturing someone else about how wrong they are.

Indeed.

I am wrong about the batteries. I have not ever seen anyone remove the batteries after a flight, storing the units in the galley bin. Sorry about that.
Removing batteries does create another problem and likely would explain some of the "batteries in water" accusation leveled at those "careless" flight attendants, accusations as fact free as my comment.

You apparently buy onto the accusations of deliberate sabotage. Good for you. I don't. The company adds a layer of complexity, then blames the employee when things go wrong. Repeated so often it has become a company mantra.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You apparently buy onto the accusations of deliberate sabotage. Good for you.

How you reach that conclusion is beyond rational thought. The leap from correcting your error (the F/A's were/are instructed to remove the batteries) to that somehow meaning I "buy onto the accusations of deliberate sabotage" is one long flight of fancy.

On the bright side, however, you've kept your unbroken streak of being wrong alive.

Jim

 

[ussnark]

On the bright side, however, you've kept your unbroken streak of being wrong alive.

and here I thought you were always right. :blink:

The company seems to have imposed a silly fragile little device, seeming without adequate training, into a dirty and not very electronics friendly environment and some of the koolaide drinkers seem to want to blame it any "incidents" on the flight attendants. Not just "blaming" but accusing some of them of malicious activity.

Imposing concessions while making the "job" more complex seems a recipe for disaster. The tempe attitude almost guarantees such, the HHD program is a case in point. Not to mention a contemptuous narrative that exists from corporate to operations that is reinforced by allowing such, seemingly innocent, comments go by without some sort of push back.

 

[BoeingBoy]

and here I thought you were always right. :blink:

I make no guarantees, but at least try to determine the facts before lecturing someone about being wrong.

that is reinforced by allowing such, seemingly innocent, comments go by without some sort of push back.

At least base the "push back" on facts (and those made up for the occasion don't count). So far, on this subject alone, we've got F/A's aren't told to remove the batteries (wrong) and that I'm claiming malicious damage to the HHD's (wrong).

Jim

 

[LCC_#1]

Ok, I have to chime in here. Boeingboy is probably the most patient, level headed airline person you will ever meet and has more knowledge about the company than most. Ussmark, you are out of your league..REALLY!!

I would not be surprised in the LEAST if there were f/a's sabotaging the batteries and YES, until the policy changed, I had to put batteries in 99% of the time. Why would it not surprise you at the level of destruction and vandalism of some of out f/a's? So you have never seen the graffiti written on the galley walls...a/c number, flush, etc? We have some of the angriest, rudest, destructive flight attendants of any airline. And PLEASE spare me the excuses!!!! ENOUGH!!! If you don't like it, get the hell out!! :down: :down: :down:

 

[Richard]

Folks,

Enough about specific members, like Boeing Boy. Keep this on topic or it will be closed.

I have already deleted two pending posts because they were aimed at an individual poster.
Next one gets time off....