Here you go Westies

[brown]

Enough of the personal attacks people. I just planted this years crop. Keep this up and you could be "volunteers" to scare the birds. <_<

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Another off-topic/personal attack post will get you a one-way trip to the corn field.....again.

 

[USstew23]

US was in a coffin, gasping for air and days away from being liquidated.

HP would have gotten a loan and kept on, instead they took charge, bought you guys out, gave you the first capable management you had in years and brought everyone to profitability in record time.

No HP, no US, get over it. Tempe runs the show now, and they know what they are doing.

Oh, and Paul, I planted in early January, you have to do that if you want tomatoes before the 110 degree heat of Phoenix!

Another case of Stockholm syndrome!!

Well you say Lakefield was such a wallstreet guru and could have brought us to this point with his wallstreet clout why didn't he? You were in your 2nd bk and days from closing the doors and being walmart greeters and I don't se he was able to bring anything to the table!

I also see it this way while US was posting $40 MILLION dollar LOSS each and every quarter but at the same time HP was posting $40 MILLION dollar PROFITS at the same time so US would have been a distant memory before HP would have ever had to file for BK if they would have!

Because we wouldn't settle for Wal Mart wages and we're not brainwashed.

I have to say that I am a westie and I am sick and tired of the westies that still think HP would be around if the merger never happened.

If you listen to what Doug says, he has even clarified that HP owned less that 5% of everything, therefore we would not have gotten any loan to get us out of bankruptcy. No one would give us a loan, since 95% of everything we had was leveraged!

Get a clue, neither airline would have made it without the merger.

Exactly, I'm glad someone realizes this.

 

[UWCactus]

Thanks Jet Dude..I hope this argument if put to rest once and for all, it's ignorant and pointless to go around and around with this argument. I must say that the people that like to bring this up time and time again are probably the same people that one can't stand to work with.

We are all lucky to be a part of company that will continue to be a part of the aviation industry for years to come. We have a bright future, new image, new destinations and good management. Take it and run with it, because as soon as Doug Parker decides to pack up and leave....we never know who we will be stuck with, enjoy this while you can!!!!

And yes, we do need a fair contract for all work groups, but we must also say competitive in this industry.

 

[AIRCRAFTMECHANIC]

Why are some still tying pit workgroups and East-West folks against each other? What is the motive?

Isn't it time to get over it...a new day is well on its way. No one person or workgroup alone can make this merger work but together we can make it work...everyone contibuting and pulling their own weight. Teams are built on competence, trust, understanding and respect. There is too much work to do and too little time to do it to waste energy sniping at each other. Let's move forward!

I AGREE...I am a CLT mechanic and I respect all of our co workers...wether its east or west makes no difference..we are one now..!

lets put the us and them behind us and all pull together....no more hate no more sly remarks..if you arent treating all of us as one employee group then you are hurting the airline...

show some class...we are all brothers and sisters...all americans...and all USAIRWAYS.

If anymore of you spread your hatefull thoughts and your unforgiving attitudes....

Its about team work...were all from somewhere else....awa /psa/piedmont/usair/alleghany/
Im from Usair and I think all of our employees
from different airlines add culture/ diversity
knowledge and class.
the same people who degrade other employees
are like the bigots ...of America.

Americans are black and white and asian ect...
and we have all served in the military and many have lost there lives...that makes them
americans..and they have earned...OUR RESPECT...
Its the same kind of bigotry going on here between the east and west....show some respect...some class.

Please no more attacks...

GET TO WORK.....

 

[Bird Doctor]

Fact?
Facts are outside investors financed the company and own it, for accounting purposes HP is treated as the aquiring airline.
Just look that name of the Airline and the group, US AIRWAYS, not America West.
It is a mereger funded by outside investors, no one aquired anyone.

HOT OFF THE IAM WEB SIGHT
http://www.iam141.org/usairway.htm

US Airways, which operates its largest hub at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport, was acquired by America West Holdings Corp. in late September in a $1.5 billion deal.
The combined carrier (NYSE:LCC), which took the US Airways name, is based in Tempe, Ariz.

Someone is feeding you a bunch of BS

 

[700UW]

This has been hashed over and over, HP did not buy US.

And go look America West Holdings is a subsidary of US Airways Group.

Outside investors funded the merger, HP did not have any money to buy an airline.

Keep trying.

 

[cageyjames]

And go look America West Holdings is a subsidary of US Airways Group.

The reasons for that aren't related to anyone buying anyone else.

Lets be honest about who bought who. Doug Parker sold himself to a bunch of investors who then gave him the backing to invest in both HP and US. This whole deal was about Doug and his ability to gain funding (including buy-in from HP shareholders). The investors bet on Doug and it would appear they were right. HP might have acquired US, but it was the funding that Doug got that made it happen.

These investors probably did look at Doug's track record at HP, no doubt. But they gave the money because of what they thought the combined company might be, not HP on its own.

 

[LCC_#1]

MUST BEAT DEAD HORSE!!

 

[700UW]

The money was raised by John Lutz of Seabury along with Bruce Lakefield.

Seabury and assoiciates were working for US Airways Group, not America West.

SEABURY GROUP COMPLETES FINANCIAL ROLE IN US AIRWAYS RESTRUCTURING/MERGER WITH AMERICA WEST AIRLINES - $805 MILLION OF COMMON EQUITY RAISED

NEW YORK, - September 29, 2005 – Seabury Group today announced that it has completed its role as financial advisor in the restructuring of US Airways Group, Inc., allowing the company to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and merge with America West Holdings Corporation. US Airways filed for Chapter 11 on September 12, 2004.

Serving as sole financial, restructuring and mergers and acquisitions advisor, as well as principal advisor for arranging private equity capital to US Airways, Seabury Group:

Arranged $641 million of new private equity provided by six separate investor groups:
ACE Aviation Holdings Inc., ($75 million) a Canadian holding company that owns Air Canada;
PAR Investment Partners, L.P., ($140 million) a Boston-based investment firm;
Peninsula Investment Partners, L.P., ($57 million) a Virginia-based investment firm;
Eastshore Holdings, LLC, ($125 million), which is owned by Air Wisconsin Airlines Corporation and its shareholders;
Wellington Management Company, ($170 million) a Boston-based investment firm; and
Tudor Investment Corp., ($74 million) a Greenwich, CT-based asset management firm
Advised on a public equity offering of $164 million
Advised on a convertible notes offering of $125 million
Advised on supplier financing facilities, providing $705 million in cash

Seabury was recently engaged as financial advisor to Northwest Airlines in its restructuring under Chapter 11.

In 2003-2004, Seabury served as Air Canada’s financial advisor under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act (CCAA) and as financial advisor to Avianca, a Colombian airline, in its restructuring under Chapter 11.

Additionally, Seabury successfully handled corporate restructuring assignments for Continental Airlines, Inc. in 1995 and Kitty Hawk in 2002.

Founded in 1995, Seabury Group provides investment banking, financial advisory, restructuring and consulting services primarily for transportation companies and those in related industries. With approximately 100 professionals in the United States , Europe and Australasia , Seabury has one of the largest investment banking, restructuring, and management consulting practices in the world dedicated to the transportation sector.

Don't let the facts get in your way!

 

[cageyjames]

Don't let the facts get in your way!

I don't unlike you. Facts are that US would not have come out of bankruptcy fall of 2005 without Doug and his plans for the combined company. ACE (among others) was investing in the combined company, not old US.

 

[700UW]

I have provided facts, Doug said you would been in bankruptcy.

Provided who raised the money and whom they were working for, US not HP.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

 

[cageyjames]

I have provided facts, Doug said you would been in bankruptcy.

Most definitely as I said above. HP would not have survived on its own that is for sure and I'd wager US was the only choice that HP had. I never said a thing about HP not going toward bankruptcy. As a HP shareholder I voted for the deal in part because I wanted my shares to be worth something.

Provided who raised the money and whom they were working for, US not HP.

As I said, they invested in the combined company. Not HP on its own or even US on its own. I also stand by that the deal happened because of Doug Parker (and to a lesser extent the rape of US) and not because of HP.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Please read what I'm saying and don't jump to conclusions about my point that aren't true. This deal was about Doug Parker selling the positives to the investors.

Did HP acquire US? Who the hell cares? As an investor I'm very happy with how this all turned out and the work Doug has done so far. Doug sold this deal as a positive and he was right.

 

[john john]

I'd wager US was the only choice that HP had.

But not the only choice US had

 

[700UW]

As an outsider you still dont get it.

Seabury sold the merger to the investors, John Lutz with Lakefield. They approached HP not the other way around.

When Doug got onboard it increased the chances of it happening and US was in on again off again talks with UAL also.

 

[cageyjames]

As an outsider you still dont get it.

You are right I'm on US insider. Frankly I don't care about that. I care about good investments and with HP and then HP/US I've done pretty well with Doug.

Seabury sold the merger to the investors, John Lutz with Lakefield. They approached HP not the other way around. When Doug got onboard it increased the chances of it happening...

OK, as I said, Doug made the deal happen.

US was in on again off again talks with UAL also.

OK, and without a CEO like Doug Parker who knows if it would have happened or not. Assuming US survived on its own till spring 06 I'm guessing maybe it would have happened. And HP would have either gone in to bankruptcy or merged with someone like Alaska and my stock would be in the tank.