Gun Threads - Merged

[Ifly2]

EastBoy

If it is too difficult to read a coupke paragraphs,

Whenever did I lie, as you accused me of?

Whatever did I say that was factually, demonstrably wrong, and not just a matter of your opinion?

That should be easy, even for a mental midget like yourself.

Bonus Question: What is it you are so afraid of, or hiding?

 

[700UW]

He is probably sleeping it off.

 

[delldude]

Dude,

Obviously guns don't kill by themselves

That Bumper Sticker is yet another Straw Scardy Crow Man, and you know it

Obviously gund do, or can be used to, kill

Their entire reason for being

Running around saying "Guns don't kill, people do" is stupid hyperbole

A West-Pac and workups in Airframes, and a little over 3 years of Air Traffic Control.

81-86, not any folks were engaged in combat. A coupke of F-14's over the Gulf of Sydra, iirc.

(Which I may not, and am not going to check...)

 
The good old days, must have been something to serve under the greatest President ever, and thank you for your dedication.. 

 

[southwind]

Liberals founded this country.

Really? So when exactly did the Libtard movement do a 180 and ask the government to start wiping their a$$ for them?

 

[townpete]

Really? So when exactly did the Libtard movement do a 180 and ask the government to start wiping their a$$ for them?

 
He's just another low info liberal troll.
 
"Liberals founded this country" 
 
Thats a howler.

 

[Ifly2]

Liberals, and progressives too

People, thinking people, inspired by the ideas of The Enlightenment, who brqvely rejected the age old status quo of divine right and monarchy and religious rule and founded a country based on individual rights and freedoms and democratic ideals.

Imperfect in its execution, but for the time, radical and revolutionary and almost unbelievably liberal and progressive.

The "conservatives" of the day supported George 3, subjugation of the individual's rights to the feelings of the fearful, and imposition of religious morality on others, and were called Tories and Loyalists.

Strangely, like today's so-called conservatives, who support George W, the imposition of their "morality" on others, and feqrfully demand that the government "do something" so that they don't "feel" scared.

That's just history, maybe you should try readi g a bit of it

 

[townpete]

Liberals, and progressives too

People, thinking people, inspired by the ideas of The Enlightenment, who brqvely rejected the age old status quo of divine right and monarchy and religious rule and founded a country based on individual rights and freedoms and democratic ideals.

Imperfect in its execution, but for the time, radical and revolutionary and almost unbelievably liberal and progressive.

The "conservatives" of the day supported George 3, subjugation of the individual's rights to the feelings of the fearful, and imposition of religious morality on others, and were called Tories and Loyalists.

Strangely, like today's so-called conservatives, who support George W, the imposition of their "morality" on others, and feqrfully demand that the government "do something" so that they don't "feel" scared.

That's just history, maybe you should try readi g a bit of it

 
The more you "try" to sound intellectual, the more it works against you.
 
But it is an amusing spectacle at least.

 

[Ifly2]

And, once again, petey having no cogent response, rsorts to meaningless and unsubstantiated personal attacks to support his delusions...

LOL

Actually, ROTFLMBHAO

Pity the poor creature

 

[delldude]

And, once again, petey having no cogent response, rsorts to meaningless and unsubstantiated personal attacks to support his delusions...

LOL

Actually, ROTFLMBHAO

Pity the poor creature

 
Look who's talking.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Liberals, and progressives too
People, thinking people, inspired by the ideas of The Enlightenment, who brqvely rejected the age old status quo of divine right and monarchy and religious rule and founded a country based on individual rights and freedoms and democratic ideals.
Imperfect in its execution, but for the time, radical and revolutionary and almost unbelievably liberal and progressive.
The "conservatives" of the day supported George 3, subjugation of the individual's rights to the feelings of the fearful, and imposition of religious morality on others, and were called Tories and Loyalists.
Strangely, like today's so-called conservatives, who support George W, the imposition of their "morality" on others, and feqrfully demand that the government "do something" so that they don't "feel" scared.
That's just history, maybe you should try readi g a bit of it

While you're citing history and our founding, it would be fun to see you try and make the case how today's liberals and progressives have anything in common with our founders.

Ifly2 calling our founders Liberals and Progressives on a message board just doesn't make it so, sorry.

 

[Ifly2]

Your inability to deal with historical fact doesn't make it less so

Nor does your slavish devotion to the words of your "information services"

The ideas that this country were founded on were radically liberal, and progressive, in their time.

That is why it took a revolution, and a revolutionary war.

The ideas that led to civil rights, worker safety, the 40 hour work week, child labor laws, the end of slavery, women voting, everyone else voting, and hosts of other things that you take for granted were liberal, progressive ideals, paid for with the blood of liberals. Liberals that fought the status quo and the conservatives of their time who defended it.

You and your "messagers" want to paint liberals as "takers" and your so-called conservatives as "producers". That is a load of right wing propaganda. The red states almost universally take more than they give. "Conservatives" consistently clamor more more and bigger government to "do something" about whatever they fear today - often "something" that will limit "other peoples'" individual rights or freedoms, or impose those "conservatives' " religious or moral beliefs on everyone else.

When in office, "conservatives" comsistently grow the government and expand its reach and its intrusion into the peoples' affairs and lives.

And, yes, taking inspiration from the French and the liberal and progressive thinkers and ideas of The Enlightenment, our Founders were radical, revolutionary, liberal and progressive. Radically so. They overthrew a whole way of thinking and system of government that had existed with only superficial progress in the thousands of years since cities and nations had come to being among the former hunter-gatherer societies of the Eurasian plains, and replaced it with one based on reason, logic and individual freedoms.

Pretty damn liberal, traitorously and sinfully so, in the words of George and the conservatives of the day who supported him, and desired to remain bound to him and the throne and rule by Divine Right.

They didn't teach history where you grew up?

 

[CMH_GSE]

Ifly2/tree,
Your Alinsky like retorts, personal attacks that you attach to every post is really getting tired.

I said it would be fun to watch you try to make the case and Vawalla , you came through with flying colors.

Here's a pretty good read on the "difference" between 18th/19th century liberals and today's version, which , read very slowly now, was my point.

http://reflectionandchoice.org/2012/08/02/were-the-founding-fathers-liberal/

 

[Kev3188]

Alinksy is used early & often by just about everyone on either end of the spectrum.

 

[southwind]

Yep! Never let a GOOD crisis, go to waste! Wait, that was some other Libtard!

 

[delldude]

Ifly2/tree,
Your Alinsky like retorts, personal attacks that you attach to every post is really getting tired.

I said it would be fun to watch you try to make the case and Vawalla , you came through with flying colors.

Here's a pretty good read on the "difference" between 18th/19th century liberals and today's version, which , read very slowly now, was my point.

http://reflectionandchoice.org/2012/08/02/were-the-founding-fathers-liberal/

 
Good insight into the continuing crisis.
 

Alinksy is used early & often by just about everyone on either end of the spectrum.

 
Right never heard of or attempted to use Alinsky tactics until Obama and his merry band of pranksters came upon the scene. After being taken to task countless times, falling prey to the tactics, at some glorious point, some on the right awoke and began making the other side play by their own rules. Glen Beck I think, was one of the first to bring Alinsky into view. Once learning the rules and looking back on many 'legislative events'. it's pretty easy to see when these tactics were successfully used many, many times against the right.