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Overspeed said:
 
Well now we know you can't add and you believe your own BS. You once said that company paid officers was like AA paying hush money but now you get it and you are fine with it. Would 591 have the funds they do now without the Durst LOA? No. You have four officers pay covered 50% by AA or the equivalent of $200K approximately. Give the money back if you don't need it. We haven't even touched on the 12 or so others that aren't bidding shifts yet punch a clock and never show up at work. Scammers just like the last group.
 
We started with around $900,000, now we have just over $2,000000, Even using your $200k figure for four at half pay, which is high, (we don't make $100k straight time, that's SWA and UPS, not AA, we make around $70k/year thanks to guys like you who vote for every concessionary deal put before them, 15 years ago we made as much as SWA and UPS, but not anymore) $2 million minus $200k =$1.8 million, which is double $900,000. Guess your math is worse than mine.
 
I am happy and basking in the glow of this agreement. If we had it your way the judge would have allowed AA to outsource far more than they have. I wish we had gotten in the 2010 TA, the one that would have had us paid $38 on the line and $36 in the base. Yeah its a split but you didn't like that because you wanted more and you knew that BK was the only way to get rid of those pesky TUL overhaul mechanics.
 
 
Allowed and able are two different things, been into this deal for over a year and a half and they aren't bumping against the cap are they? All that panic and they aren't laying off to get to it either, so just because the contract says they can it doesn't necessarily mean they will.  They are desperately trying to hire people and the OT is flowing. Recently read that UAL is starting to do Airframe OH in SFO again. The trend is to bring it back in house, and its not by agreeing to lower wages either.
 
Duke787 said:
You're right 9 years of the 2003 was a great idea and having that contract going into BK really worked out for us. Even with the benefit of hindsight you still think it was the smart move to vote down the 2010 TA. Well at least guys don't have to work weekends and OH future is secure.
The smart move would have been to demand a release immediately  upon rejection of the 2010 deal like nearly every Union in the industry had done for the last 70 years. More than likely would have landed in a PEB before spring of 2011. Company still would have went BK before Christmas but at least we wouldn't have been working off a zero cost extension of the 2003 Concessions that had us at the bottom of the industry. Yes the PEB would have allowed the company to get the language they got in Bankruptcy, and still AA would not have been able to exploit it because as they let us know in BK "capacity for NB OH was tight" and they would have had to pay premium prices to get their planes done. 
 
Bob Owens said:
We started with around $900,000, now we have just over $2,000000, Even using your $200k figure for four at half pay, which is high, (we don't make $100k straight time, that's SWA and UPS, not AA, we make around $70k/year thanks to guys like you who vote for every concessionary deal put before them, 15 years ago we made as much as SWA and UPS, but not anymore) $2 million minus $200k =$1.8 million, which is double $900,000. Guess your math is worse than mine.
 
 
Allowed and able are two different things, been into this deal for over a year and a half and they aren't bumping against the cap are they? All that panic and they aren't laying off to get to it either, so just because the contract says they can it doesn't necessarily mean they will.  They are desperately trying to hire people and the OT is flowing. Recently read that UAL is starting to do Airframe OH in SFO again. The trend is to bring it back in house, and its not by agreeing to lower wages either.
 
And you left out the last part, the 12 plus others that have punch in and out scams going with the MD's. That's another $1.2M that you aren't covering. Like I said you would be broke if it wasn't for those scams. AMFA in Miami has stated numerous times that they have the former 561 officers not working but getting paid for by AA. That the scams still continue. The same thing happens here in DFW. How are they off the sched but getting paid? Is 591 paying them? It's not in the financial reports. Bob, there is a lot of pay scamming going on.
 
You are probably right about UAL in SFO. When I spoke to Bob Fisher of the IBT he stated that UAL had being doing mods in SFO and suspended doing overhaul when I asked him about why there is no overhaul in SFO. Again, stating half the facts.
 
Once SOC happens I am personally concerned that work will be shifted to CLT, PHL, and PHX once metal starts mixing. That will kill a lot of OT.
 
Bob Owens said:
The smart move would have been to demand a release immediately  upon rejection of the 2010 deal like nearly every Union in the industry had done for the last 70 years. More than likely would have landed in a PEB before spring of 2011. Company still would have went BK before Christmas but at least we wouldn't have been working off a zero cost extension of the 2003 Concessions that had us at the bottom of the industry. Yes the PEB would have allowed the company to get the language they got in Bankruptcy, and still AA would not have been able to exploit it because as they let us know in BK "capacity for NB OH was tight" and they would have had to pay premium prices to get their planes done. 
 
Hasn't the IAM demanded release from the NMB? How long has it been. Would have never happened. You are a dreamer.
 
Overspeed said:
 
And you left out the last part, the 12 plus others that have punch in and out scams going with the MD's. That's another $1.2M that you aren't covering. Like I said you would be broke if it wasn't for those scams. AMFA in Miami has stated numerous times that they have the former 561 officers not working but getting paid for by AA. That the scams still continue. The same thing happens here in DFW. How are they off the sched but getting paid? Is 591 paying them? It's not in the financial reports. Bob, there is a lot of pay scamming going on.
 
You are probably right about UAL in SFO. When I spoke to Bob Fisher of the IBT he stated that UAL had being doing mods in SFO and suspended doing overhaul when I asked him about why there is no overhaul in SFO. Again, stating half the facts.
 
 
Getting desperate and shifting your argument. Grievance investigations have always been done on company time. There are fewer people than ever before  getting paid by the company to do union related work yet we still doubled the treasury. IIRC Don had his whole board, along with a few others on special assignments not reporting to work, yet he still sent 565 deep into debt.  
 
You call it a scam, but that's because you are a company man. I guess with the numbers of people, and all the new language your Local management decided to not put them on the bid, their choice, at JFK they decided to do that just for the VP, all the chairmen and stewards report to their crew chiefs. 
 
Once SOC happens I am personally concerned that work will be shifted to CLT, PHL, and PHX once metal starts mixing. That will kill a lot of OT
 
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And by the time that happens a few hundred more mechanics will have retired, resigned or died. The average mechanic at US is even older than the average mechanic at AA. Notice how they have backed off on the drug testing? They are more likely to find Lipitor or Viagra than cocaine or cannabis.  
 
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Bob Owens said:
Why do you care?
 
Because its unfortunate this USAIR merger is going through creating a mega carrier with low mechanics wages, the fewest holidays, fewest vacation, worst medical, worst work rules, etc.  And USAIR blows the employees that once supported this stupid merger are starting to see it was a mistake.
 
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Overspeed said:
 
Hasn't the IAM demanded release from the NMB? How long has it been. Would have never happened. You are a dreamer.
Did the IAM ever bring a deal back to the members to vote on? Normally the NMB is reluctant to release a Union when they have not let their members vote on the company's offer, but they usually do release them once they do and the members reject it. 
 
737823 said:
 
Because its unfortunate this USAIR merger is going through creating a mega carrier with low mechanics wages, the fewest holidays, fewest vacation, worst medical, worst work rules, etc.  And USAIR blows the employees that once supported this stupid merger are starting to see it was a mistake.
 
Josh
But how does any of that concern you? 
 
Bob Owens said:
Getting desperate and shifting your argument. Grievance investigations have always been done on company time. There are fewer people than ever before  getting paid by the company to do union related work yet we still doubled the treasury. IIRC Don had his whole board, along with a few others on special assignments not reporting to work, yet he still sent 565 deep into debt.  
 
You call it a scam, but that's because you are a company man. I guess with the numbers of people, and all the new language your Local management decided to not put them on the bid, their choice, at JFK they decided to do that just for the VP, all the chairmen and stewards report to their crew chiefs. 
 
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And by the time that happens a few hundred more mechanics will have retired, resigned or died. The average mechanic at US is even older than the average mechanic at AA. Notice how they have backed off on the drug testing? They are more likely to find Lipitor or Viagra than cocaine or cannabis.  
 
So are we getting back fill for the union reps who are "investigating grievances"? Nope. That's a scam Bob and you know it. You complained about it in the past. Nothing is getting better here in DFW even with all these "hard working" reps "investigating grievances".
 
There is the same amount of people out doing union scam UB as before. How do I know? Because even though the local was merged and some of the other scammers forced out, the usual suspects are still there. AMFA in Miami has noted the same issue in MIA.
 
What is 591 doing to stop the BC's being done in DWH? Nothing. GP is too busy picking fights with the Int'l as usual while DFW loses more work.
 
Bob Owens said:
But how does any of that concern you? 
Bob he is a troll who bashes US, the IAM and its employees.
 
He calls the FAs old and cranky, amongst other things.
 
He constantly lies, posts misinformation, and is a fraud.
 
Overspeed said:
 
Spineless? I guess you really hate more VC, Holidays, and more pay than you currently have now. And you would have had it four years ago but here you are...still complaining and with five Holidays, same one week of VC minimum, making $36 when you could be making $40, and dreaming about what could have been. Just think, even if you would have accepted that TA you would have all those things back and could still fight for your beloved AMFA. Instead you have less than before and are still fighting for your beloved AMFA. Sounds like you did not chose wisely grasshopper.
Living in the past talking about a 2010 shot down worthless TA. Why don't you talk about the concessions listed in the piece of crap?
 
Oh, I forgot it's all about AMFA........that's right it's their fault.
 
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