Furloughs

[usairways2009]

Juniority refers to the process where a FTer that is laid off out of a city has the opportunity to displace the juniorist agent in the system. The process is defined in the contract and procedures are agreed upon between the company and union. Basically, it goes like this; a layoff notice is given to the junior FT employees in the city where the reduction is taking place. Since these people may not be the juniorist in the system, they have the opportunity to fill a vacancy (if one exist) or after all vacancies are filled, displace the juniorist employee in the system. The layoff notice will list any vacancies and then the cities where the juniorist employees work. The laid off agent must select the cities he/she is willing to accept. Once all the paperwork is return, then Station Services begins with the juniorist person who has been laid off and matches his/her selection against where the juniorist employee works. If that city is listed by the agent, then he displaces that junior agent. If it isn't selected then that agent is simply laid off to the street. They go onto the next junior employee being laid off and go through the same routine. As an example of what can happen, suppose that the juniorist agent is in PHL. On the layoff selection list, no one selects PHL. Then all the laid off people go to the street and no juniorist employee is displaced. This can get fairly complicated as each laid off agents selections are gone through. Say the 5 juniorist agents are in PHL, the 6th juniorist agent is in DCA. No one will be able to displace the DCA person until the 5 junior agents in PHL are displaced. So, they could go through 5 laid off agents or 500 laid off agents, until 5 have selected PHL, the DCA agent is not "on the bubble". Now this can get very frustrating as a more senior laid off agent may have wanted to go to PHL or DCA, but will only have the opportunity to go to say PHX because that is where the then juniorist agent is after the more juniorist agents have been displaced.

And it's the same for part time?

 

[john john]

This can get fairly complicated as each laid off agents selections are gone through. Say the 5 juniorist agents are in PHL, the 6th juniorist agent is in DCA. No one will be able to displace the DCA person until the 5 junior agents in PHL are displaced. So, they could go through 5 laid off agents or 500 laid off agents, until 5 have selected PHL, the DCA agent is not "on the bubble". Now this can get very frustrating as a more senior laid off agent may have wanted to go to PHL or DCA, but will only have the opportunity to go to say PHX because that is where the then juniorist agent is after the more juniorist agents have been displaced.

Some of us remember the controversies surrounding the applications of the language in WHO is the junior person. We ended up with this because of CLT pres and VP at the time
Does CWA vs Jeffers ring a bell

 

[hp-csr-phx]

I think only Full timers can bump to a new station.

 

[wench1]

Well well, it FINALLY HAPPENED!

We were all wondering how many years the west would PROTECT their own!

Now comes the furlough, add the BUYOUT to it, and you will have an additional of 600 g-o-n-e-...

Cheapskates!

Go and collect that unemployment.. and Obama said the stimulus would help! Ha! NOT!

 

[usa1]

Some of us remember the converse surrounding the applications of the language in WHO is the junior person. We ended up with this because of CLT pres and VP at the time
Does CWA vs Jeffers ring a bell

They agreed to it to avoid multiple bumping .... causing many more to be affected and relocated. Example; a furloughed agent from TPA sees an agent JR to him in RIC. RIC is not furloughing, but the TPA agent bumps him. Then RIC agent has to bump someone else, he see a JR agent in ORF, so he bumps him. The affected ORF agent then spots a JR agent in RDU, you got it ....... and on and on it goes, resulting in many more disrupted lives and miserable union members.

 

[tadjr]

"a significant decline" in revenue this year necessitated the staff reductions, effective in mid-September.
TPA was told their furloughs were effective NEXT TUESDAY!
Make sure that extra 10 days of pay is in your last check since they didnt give proper notice.

 

[john john]

They agreed to it to avoid multiple bumping .... causing many more to be affected and relocated. Example; a furloughed agent from TPA sees an agent JR to him in RIC. RIC is not furloughing, but the TPA agent bumps him. Then RIC agent has to bump someone else, he see a JR agent in ORF, so he bumps him. The affected ORF agents then spots a JR agent in RDU, you got it ....... and on and on it goes, resulting in many more disrupted lives and miserable union members.

Before the CLT Pres/VP agreement it was a one time furlough it was exactly like fleet service has NOW.There is no easy way it all SUX

 

[tadjr]

Maybe that is why PHL is so short staffed too? They knew they were going to furlough and left it open as a bid city like they've done in the past?

 

[Dont call me Shirley]

just thinking of the words from an old Pan Am jingle (featured in Pam Ann skit)
we've done it all before
over and over and over...


(here's the jingle, with Pam Ann skit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq_JrXQ6Hx4

 

[LoveAviation]

Got a call today that notice went out that we are furloughing in TPA. Not sure if its a local thing or if there will be furloughs elsewhere. We were told 6 part time (still on probation gone for good probably) and 3 full timers. Also fleet advised, but I wasnt given numbers for them.
We are going down to 16 flights a day (from current 21) in Sept and on some days will be down to 12.
Anyone else get notice?

Got the call in ROC we are losing 2 FT positions and and 2 PT positions! Another day in the airline industry.

 

[OTslave]

just thinking of the words from an old Pan Am jingle (featured in Pam Ann skit)
we've done it all before
over and over and over...

So true. But in Tempe's case, you CAN beat the experience.

 

[usa1]

Below is the CWA contract language. QUESTION, in a station with a club can a FT, SR, furloughed ticket counter CSA bump a PT, JR, CSA in the club at that location with her seniority?


Article 4 Classifications
Passenger Service consists of the classification groups of Customer Service,
Customer Assistance (CAR), US Airways Clubs, City Ticket Office (CTO),
Reservations and Mainline Express Customer Service.

Within the Customer Service Group and Mainline Express Customer Service groups, there are two
classifications, Customer Service Agent and Customer Service Supervisor
(including CSS Tower and CSS Training Instructor), and within the CTO
group there are two classifications, CTO agent and CTO Lead Agent. All
other groups contain a single classification of representative.

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Reduction Language
c. Full-time employees who have completed their probationary
period, but do not have sufficient seniority to hold a full-time
position in the classification and location, will be covered by:
1) the System Displacement Rules, and/or
2) be permitted to bid, in seniority order, available part-time
positions within their classification at their location, and, if
there are insufficient part-time vacancies within their
classification at their location, to displace the most junior
part-time employee within their classification at their
location provided they have more seniority than the part
time employee;

 

[doing it on my knees]

boy this is going to get real messy fast. That juniority thing sounds confusing.

 

[wench1]

Whatever just another furlough in the airline industry!

Deal and move on.

 

[necigrad]

Below is the CWA contract language. QUESTION, in a station with a club can a FT, SR, furloughed ticket counter CSA bump a PT, JR, CSA in the club at that location with her seniority

Not a CSA, but here's my take. From what you've quoted:

Passenger Service consists of the classification groups of Customer Service,
Customer Assistance (CAR), US Airways Clubs, City Ticket Office (CTO),
Reservations and Mainline Express Customer Service.

you have 4 classifications. The second part doesn't matter in your case. For your case, Club Agents are just that. They are not CSRs or CTO agents. They are club agents and stuck there unless they can transfer. Based on what you've posted I would say that the CTO agents in PHX and the Club Agents in LAS are screwed. I do not know what the "System Displacement Rules" specify though, so that may be incorrect. Keep in mind that I am Fleet Service and have not seen your contract. The CBA should spell this out, plus there may be presadent in agents favor, and the Union and Company may develop other options to prevent the loss of these persons jobs. You really need to discuss this with a CSA Union Rep, as they will have the best information.