Following A Different Path?

[TonyB]

Perhaps if you used yet another name to post here, we wouldn't be reminded of your ignorance just by seeing your nom de plume.

[post="276526"][/post]​

May I suggest Pillsburry? How about Sheets? or perhaps Cooter?

I too believe many people on this forum waste their time trying to argue with ignorance. You' ll get more results from a pile of rocks. There is plenty of talk here but no action. Some want congress to act but remember this, our Federal Government is no longer a government of the people. It is a government of the corporate/ruling elite. Others claim the industrial unionists (AFL-CIO) will save our jobs at any cost. Any cost to us that is. For as Bob Owens pointed out, many TWU brothers will be double dipping. Modern labor will not save us because its sole mission is collect dues and deliver us to their corporate masters. We have to save our selves.

 

[High Speed Steel]

"Do you know what HSS is? It is a tool steel that has been used for years to manufacture many items including the skin on the outside of an aircraft, to the wrench the mechanic holds in their hand."

Hey, you wrote it ding dong.

Now was ya a might "crocked" 'offin that thar jug 'o shine befer you wrote that?

We know'd how it is when your a twu believin', that thar shine will blow the fur clean offin yer carcass! Is that how you twu fellers lie so well? Cornfused is right... :huh:

[post="276531"][/post]​

At least this ding dong knows what he is talking about......This is an example how critical the language is within written text. If you don't read it fully, you will not comprehend its level of understanding.... 😉

 

[High Speed Steel]

And the twu has been honest from day one???

The twu doesnt lie they just well... without further ratification :blink:

[post="276527"][/post]​

Old news....See below




Press release: United/amfa Mechanics vote for a "Strike"!!!!! And delle say's "nnnnnnooooooo".......Without Further Ratification 😛

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Press release: United/amfa Mechanics vote for a "Strike"!!!!! And delle say's "nnnnnnooooooo".......Without Further Ratification

Thats the differense between the twu and the AMFA.
The AMFA gets to vote the twu does not

 

[Boomer]

Not quite.

No matter how many times you repeat such misinformation, it still doesn't become true.
The "BK-proof" retirement fund only places the executives' very large pensions on the same footing as yours.

The assets in your pension fund cannot be attached by creditors. Since the funding of the "BK-proof" executive pensions, neither can they.

Theirs are just larger than yours, that's all.

The timing of their funding sucked, and cost the CEO his job. But get over it already. They make more money than you, and their pensions are gonna be larger.

AMR contributed $328 million to the employees' pension plans in 2003, and also had the temerity to set aside $41 million to pay the large pensions of the executives. So what?

I get your position: Your pensions should be funded and exempt from creditors. But not the bosses' pensions. Sounds an awful lot like class envy wrapped up in the noble shroud of "fairness to workers." Might as well complain about the pilots' pensions while you're at it. :down:

[post="275942"][/post]​

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FWAAA, Former ModerAAtor,

This is straight out of Gilligan’s Island: Skipper and the Professor tell Gilligan he has to put on a dress, Gilligan stands there shaking his head saying, “I’m not wearing that dress.â€

The scene fades and then returns with Gilligan still shaking his head saying, “I’m not wearing that dress.†The problem, for Gilligan; he already has the dress on.



The SERP plans are funded to 100% of the liability to those covered. The Union plans are funded, according to what we have been told, to the nearly fully funded status of… according to the PBGC....but, the PBGC considers… plan fully funded…as long as it is at… 80%…or…90%, not 100%. Of course, we are legally prevented from seeing the reports or determining which methods have been used to project the numbers contained within those reports. (I wonder when the reporting laws changed?)

The DBPs for the AA Unions are being reported as underfunded to the tune of 2.8 Billion. At UAL, the difference between the PBGC calculation of funding status versus that reported by UAL was almost 3 Billion dollars or 33%. As of now, it is unclear which “accounting†method is being used by American Airlines but if AA used the same accounting methods employed at UAL the underfunding could rise to $3.7 Billion. The SERP plans are, again, fully funded.

The PBGC, on assuming the DBPs, cuts payouts by the same standards used at UAL. For most of those posting about their experience at UAL, the cuts were at least 30%. The SERP plans are fully funded and would be unaffected.

You guys are playing word games with the SERP and DBPs. The SERP plans and the DBP plans at AA are not the same: they are not alike in their funding status; they are not alike in the reporting technicalities; they are not alike in the ability to change the numbers through accounting machinations; they are not alike in their being subject to “material†payment reductions; they are not alike with respect to the accounts being surrendered to a third party that is legally allowed to change the payout terms.

It's OK, we have a new relationship between AA and the employees. Yeah, Right!

 

[Wretched Wrench]

Human nature being what it is, most people will work harder to protect their own interests than to protect others'. That being the case, our executives have already protected their pensions, and will be less likely to work as hard to protect ours as they would to protect theirs.

Sort of like IGM.

 

[Buck]

Human nature being what it is, most people will work harder to protect their own interests than to protect others'. That being the case, our executives have already protected their pensions, and will be less likely to work as hard to protect ours and they would to protect theirs.

Sort of like IGM.

[post="276626"][/post]​

That is why unionism is in the state it is today. No longer is it a group effort, it is only about the individual and the dues paid to support a corporate structure that is similar to a company.

 

[dogdriver]

Not quite.



The "BK-proof" retirement fund only places the executives' very large pensions on the same footing as yours.



Fwaaa,

Do you mean that they will now get the PBGC max? Didn't thnk so.

 

[Bob Owens]

Human nature being what it is, most people will work harder to protect their own interests than to protect others'. That being the case, our executives have already protected their pensions, and will be less likely to work as hard to protect ours as they would to protect theirs.

Sort of like IGM.

[post="276626"][/post]​

Same goes for the TWU. Their pension is secure as long as they keep the dues flowing. In fact it behooves them to continue to lower our wages and reduce our benifits if it allows the company to hire more people who will pay dues. You cant hold them accountable, they use your money to suppress your right to find out how your dues are spent and they bank on the fact that most are not motivated enough to try and overcome the formidable obsticles to removing the TWU.

Just remember that the year we lost 25% of our compensation Little gave himself an 8% raise.

So all this hypocrisy of these officials complaining about executives giving themselves raises while the workers take cuts is pure spin. They are doing the same thing.

Next year the new LM-2s come out. Should make for some interesting reading!

 

[Boomer]

Basically, we can reasonably say that the Wright Amendment is dead: put a fork in it, it's done.

We'll leave the question of how we cover the revenue shortfall created by the Wright Amendment demise for further discussion on another thread.

The problem is that we face a multi-pronged infiltration of our revenue base from the LCCs by failing to come to terms with the need to meet that portion of our domestic route network on a competitive basis. If we could just break even with the LCCs domestically on a pure cost basis, we could then leverage our service levels and international network towards the revenue premium needed for profitability and growth.

Exacerbating the infiltration by the LCCs' of our domestic network is the planned move towards rewriting the HDR, High Density Slot Rule, which has governed domestic access to some airports in the US.

According to theAMR Annual Report 2004 page 6.

(The following is not an exact duplication of the material contained within the report referenced but retains the original discussion matter and emphasis.-Boomer)

C. Regulation
Airport Access
The FAA has designated New York JFK, LGA and Washington Reagan airports as high-density traffic airports. The high-density rule limits the number of IFR operations-take offs and landings-permitted per hour and requires that a slot support each operation. In April 2000, the Air 21 Act was enacted which called for the elimination of slot restrictions at JFK and LGA in 2007.The Company expects that the elimination of these slot restrictions could create operational challenges, but does not expect the elimination of these slot restrictions to have a material adverse impact on the Company's financial condition, results of operations or cash flows.

As a result of agreements reached with the FAA in 2004, the Company reduced operations at ORD during certain peak times to improve dependability.

Currently, the FAA permits the purchasing, selling, leasing or transferring of slots (except International operations Essential Air Service or Air 21 Act slots.) Trading of any domestic slot is permitted subject to certain parameters. Some Foreign Airports have slot allocations (LHR). Most Foreign Authorities do not officially recognize the purchasing, selling or leasing of slots.

In addition, the Wright Amendment restricts certain flight operations to LUV Field to a limited geographic area. To the extent these flight restrictions are lifted in the future, it could have adverse financial impacts on the Company.

Although the Company is constrained by slots, it has sufficient slot authorizations to operate its existing flights. However, there is no assurance that the Company will be able to obtain slots to expand its operations and change its schedules in the future because, among other factors, slot allocations are subject to changes in governmental policies.

Why does this matter? Currently, the US Government is planning for an auction of all existing slot authorities to those airports currently restricted by such authorities beginning with ORD.
( Aviation Week and Space Technology/April 11,2005. Author: David Bond, Washington Correspondent. Page(s) 46, 47.)

Much like network spectrum was auctioned off for the telecom industry, the US Government is planning an initial auction of slot authorities at ORD. The Auction will define a successor to the HDR. The proposal, subject to NPRM, will last until 2008. If the planned auction for ORD is successful, it will create a pettern by which the other HDR airports will then have their slots auctioned.

The question: if we survive the deregulation of Love Field and the attendant loss in revenue, where are the funds supposed to come from that will allow us to continue to operate in JFK, LGA and Reagan much less bid on the route authorities we currently operate?

Given the draw on resources, how can we continue to fund a DBP that is at best 25% more expensive than a DCP without further concessions?

 

[eolesen]

Why does this matter? Currently, the US Government is planning for an auction of all existing slot authorities to those airports currently restricted by such authorities beginning with ORD.

[post="277016"][/post]​

ORD hasn't been slot restricted for a couple of years now. There's a memorandum of understanding with carriers not to increase service there at the moment, but that's voluntary and only applies during peak hours.

 

[Boomer]

ORD hasn't been slot restricted for a couple of years now. There's a memorandum of understanding with carriers not to increase service there at the moment, but that's voluntary and only applies during peak hours.

[post="277108"][/post]​

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AW&ST, April 11. 2005

Title: "Bidding in the Blind"
Subtitled: "FAA turns to a regulated system for airlines to buy and sell landing opportunities at Chicago O'Hare"
"...the agency proposes a "blind-auction" system for the sale and purchase of landing opportunities at the busy midwestern hub, and it is considering use-or-lose provisions as well..."

Rulemaking launched March 25, 2005.

 

[Hackman]

At least this ding dong knows what he is talking about......This is an example how critical the language is within written text. If you don't read it fully, you will not comprehend its level of understanding.... 😉

[post="276533"][/post]​

Language is also critical when your making a point, in that you use the correct wording.

"Do you know what HSS is? It is a tool steel that has been used for years to manufacture many items including the skin on the outside of an aircraft, to the wrench the mechanic holds in their hand."

Personally, I think a injection of a helpful noun is in order here..... for example:

"It is a tool steel that has been used for years in the manufacturing process of many items....

This way, its much more clear what your trying to convey.

Of course, I never claimed to be a wordsmith, and I'm speaking to a twu supporter of whom believes in unelected twu International liars. :blink:

 

[High Speed Steel]

Language is also critical when your making a point, in that you use the correct wording.

"Do you know what HSS is? It is a tool steel that has been used for years to manufacture many items including the skin on the outside of an aircraft, to the wrench the mechanic holds in their hand."

Personally, I think a injection of a helpful noun is in order here..... for example:

"It is a tool steel that has been used for years in the  manufacturing process of many items....

This way, its much more clear what your trying to convey.

Of course, I never claimed to be a wordsmith, and I'm speaking to a twu supporter of whom believes in unelected twu International liars.  :blink:

[post="277139"][/post]​

hackman,

I do appreciate the grammar lesson. You are not the first one to address me on improper spelling, or punctuation. It's apparent that you were able to comprehend what I had written even if it did not meet your high level of standards for clarity. I will try to do better in the future if it will please you..... :blink:

"oops"...... Had to go back and make an edit, misspelled a word.... :blink:

 

[Hackman]

hackman,

I do appreciate the grammar lesson. You are not the first one to address me on improper spelling, or punctuation. It's apparent that you were able to comprehend what I had written even if it did not meet your high level of standards for clarity. I will try to do better in the future if it will please you..... :blink:

"oops"...... Had to go back and make an edit, misspelled a word.... :blink:

[post="277190"][/post]​

I, along with others here did think at first glance your post stated that aircraft skin was steel. Its that vague.

Your always one to claim us "non-believers" how we are "elitists" and so forth for promoting our declining profession. When we are sometimes mistakenly inaccurate, your right on it. However when you are, we are intolerant malcontents for saying anything about it.

About the only thing you could do that would please me is to pull your head out of your twu crack and see beyond your distorted company union world in Tulsa.

That would please many. 😉