Flight Attendants now free to Unionize at Delta

[LukeAisleWalker]

Why not use the same process to vote out the union as this new proposal to vote them in? only fair.
Also,
I curious how many times has this method been used to vote out a union all together? I believe the answer is never.

BB-- Of course it has been used to vote out a union. Why do you think the Russell case had a date on it? Here, this quote is from one of your favorite entities, The National Right To Work Foundation:

"The case that established the right of railway and airline employees to opt for non-representation is Russell v. NMB, 714 F.2d 1332 (5th Cir. 1983), in which a Foundation attorney represented the employees who wanted no union representation."

 

[BABABOOY]

so are you now saying that this ruling is fair?

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

so are you now saying that this ruling is fair?

I'm not following you, BB...what do you mean, "are you now saying this ruling is fair?"
Of course I think it's fair.

 

[southwind]

Like I said before, when there IS a vote and Delta throws their weight behind the, " Make sure you vote and make sure you vote no, if you don't want a union", campainge, the unions will start whining and b!tching about it.

Hey , they're just playing by "Your new rules"!

Of course we all know that by having the least amount of people voting (keeping it on the down-low), increases the Unions chances of success !

 

[PlayTheOdds]

How long has DAL F/A's been without a union? How many of you unionists actually like your union? What are the working conditions like for the DAL F/A's. They have gone this long without representation why now? Because of the NWA F/A's and their Scab union that stormed across AMFA's picket line?

DAL F/A's keep your hard earned money. Don't give it away to a union so its leaders can hang out in their summer beach houses.

 

[Kev3188]

Also Kev,
Many do think that this delay and any future delay lays squarely with the AFA. This could have been over along time
ago. They chose to pull the request hoping to get the rules change. I understand the teamsters didn't have any problem
over at Continental with the present rules. The AFA knew they don't have around 10,000 votes.
I don't believe this will be over for quite awile.

I don't believe it will, either.

the IBT took a gamble (their term) at CO after a couple of previous campaigns failed by very narrow margins. I have to think that the then looming prospect of a merger w/UAL made it worth it to them to go for it.

Ultimately this is not a decision that is in the powers of the NMB, rather congress itself. This ruling effectively politicizes the NMB and threatens the stability of the RLA.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe there have been court decisions stating that this type of decisoon does fall w/the NMB. If I had to guess, that would be what DL & the ATA will challenge?

What happens when there is a republican majority on the NMB? If the NMB is allowed to make sweeping changes every 4/8 years then it can render the RLA useless. Therefore any sweeping changes to the RLA should only fall on congress. NMB's role is not to change laws, but to mediate.

Interesting point, but we didn't see any real sweeping changes for how decades, so I'm not sure that we can bank on an every 4-8 year scenario...

That said, JMHO, but I think the RLA should done away with, and "merged" (no pun intended) with the NLRA.

Like I said before, when there IS a vote and Delta throws their weight behind the, " Make sure you vote and make sure you vote no, if you don't want a union", campainge, the unions will start whining and b!tching about it.

Hey , they're just playing by "Your new rules"!

Of course we all know that by having the least amount of people voting (keeping it on the down-low), increases the Unions chances of success !

Can we agree that no matter which way people vote, that a high turnout is much better in the long run?

Because of the NWA F/A's and their Scab union that stormed across AMFA's picket line?

DAL F/A's keep your hard earned money. Don't give it away to a union so its leaders can hang out in their summer beach houses.

That's rich coming from you...

Maybe you should remind everyone how it can to be that you wound up on NW property.

Also, you're going to make allegations about largesse, you need to provide some proof.

 

[southwind]

Was listening to Neal Boortz last night , on the way home and the Topic of the day was , Delta, Unions and the NMB. A Delta FA of 17 years said that if the majority of FA's vote, the union doesn't stand a chance ! So in essence if the voting rules had remained the same, the results would have remained the same...............no union, but as we all know, the rule change is nothing more than an ace up the sleeve, slight of hand trick , the union is "Depending" on in order to get their hands on the wallets of the FA's and ramp workers wallets of the largest airline in the world !

 

[PlayTheOdds]

That's rich coming from you...

Maybe you should remind everyone how it can to be that you wound up on NW property.

Also, you're going to make allegations about largesse, you need to provide some proof.

Tell us Kev where does the money go? The afa has something like 46,000 members, lets just say that is roughly $4,600,000.00 a month. that would be $55,200,000.00 a year. Where does all that money go Kev? Has ten percent of it been set aside for the past twenty years just in the event a strike fund might be needed? Or are they going to stand there like AMFA looking for handouts?

 

[dapoes]

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe there have been court decisions stating that this type of decisoon does fall w/the NMB. If I had to guess, that would be what DL & the ATA will challenge?

Actually it does not, the NRLA is very explicit in its language regarding the voting method. It is not open to interpretation.

§ 152. General duties
Fourth. Organization and collective bargaining, freedom from interference by carrier, assistance in organizing or maintaining organization by carrier forbidden; deduction of dues from wages forbidden

Employees shall have the right to organize and bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing. The majority of any craft or class of employees shall have the right to determine who shall be the representative of the craft or class for the purposes of this chapter

Interesting point, but we didn't see any real sweeping changes for how decades, so I'm not sure that we can bank on an every 4-8 year scenario...

This has been brought up before and argued. It was struck down as the ruling was that it was not the role of the NMB, rather it is Congress. The NMB has no power to make amendments to the NRLA. I will find the sources of the previous cases and cite them.

You havent seen any sweeping changes because the NRLA is very clear, and the NMB never overstepped, until now. Any changes have to be made via amendments through congress, not the 3 member NMB. They are setting a very powerful precedent that can open up a can of worms. When political winds change they can blow the other way.

That said, JMHO, but I think the RLA should done away with, and "merged" (no pun intended) with the NLRA.

Maybe so, but thats not the role of the 3 members of the NMB, they mediate, not amend/make laws. Thats congress's duty.

Can we agree that no matter which way people vote, that a high turnout is much better in the long run?

Yes of course.

 

[dapoes]

Tell us Kev where does the money go? The afa has something like 46,000 members, lets just say that is roughly $4,600,000.00 a month. that would be $55,200,000.00 a year. Where does all that money go Kev? Has ten percent of it been set aside for the past twenty years just in the event a strike fund might be needed? Or are they going to stand there like AMFA looking for handouts?

Rumor has it AFA has had financial problems for some time. With this election they will either gain the extra $$$ from the DAL FA's or lose the existing $$$ from the NWA FA's. Hence the constant delays, its a fight for their life (and millions of union dues of course).

 

[Kev3188]

Tell us Kev where does the money go?

If I were you, I'd start by doing an LM2 search.

Also, you didn't answer either of my questions.

 

[tech2101]

If I were you, I'd start by doing an LM2 search.

Also, you didn't answer either of my questions.

I will answer one for s/he. S/he slithered across the picket line after being trained on how to work on NWA aircraft in the mothball yard in the desert while we were fighting against the elimination of 52% of our workforce. Now s/he is an expert on unions. Very rich.

 

[goodgirl37]

Was listening to Neal Boortz last night , on the way home and the Topic of the day was , Delta, Unions and the NMB. A Delta FA of 17 years said that if the majority of FA's vote, the union doesn't stand a chance ! So in essence if the voting rules had remained the same, the results would have remained the same...............no union, but as we all know, the rule change is nothing more than an ace up the sleeve, slight of hand trick , the union is "Depending" on in order to get their hands on the wallets of the FA's and ramp workers wallets of the largest airline in the world !

Sorry Boo, but your not the largest airline in the world anymore, United is!

 

[goodgirl37]

Rumor has it AFA has had financial problems for some time. With this election they will either gain the extra $$$ from the DAL FA's or lose the existing $$$ from the NWA FA's. Hence the constant delays, its a fight for their life (and millions of union dues of course).

Dapoes, AFA is in no more financial trouble than DAL is itself. I love how you word things "Rumor has it".. Actually AFA merged with CWA, to broaden its scope and become more resourceful. The AFA has lived without DAL this long, and could continue to do so in the future, pretty soon, I have a feeling you are going to be munching on som humble pie Dapoes, and I would love if you would post a video of it on youtube!

 

[dapoes]

Dapoes, AFA is in no more financial trouble than DAL is itself. I love how you word things "Rumor has it".. Actually AFA merged with CWA, to broaden its scope and become more resourceful. The AFA has lived without DAL this long, and could continue to do so in the future, pretty soon, I have a feeling you are going to be munching on som humble pie Dapoes, and I would love if you would post a video of it on youtube!

Never gonna happen dear. The reason why AFA merged with CWA was due to their financial difficulties. The reason why the dropped the NWA "Me To Clause" grievance was due to financial restraints. Despite the fact they said all along it would be a slam dunk. despite the fact that this grievance was extremely important (pay increase for the NWA FA) out of all the other grievances they had on their plate. But hey they did have a recent victory tho. Something about an apron. Whoo hoo!

If AFA was confident they had the numbers they would have had the vote eons ago. But they have delaying for eons.