first come first served

lax said:
at AA, checkin starts 4hrs prior to scheduled departure. it can be done at the airport or online. there are five major classifications of travel...D1,D2,D2p,D3,ZED. D1, each emp only gets 4 per year, and is highest priority. D2 is standard for all emp's and their significant other. D2p is specifically for emp's parents traveling without the emp and is lower than D2. Parents become D2 when traveling with the emp. D3 is our form of buddy passes, given to whomever is listed in emp's companion travel list, of which your allowed to list 12 names for one given year. ZED is for emp's of other airlines.

Where do retirees fit in at that system?

Breath_of_Fresh_USAirways said:
Give me a break. I can use the same sort of arguments against seniority. What if I list for a PHX-PHL flight with a connection in PHL to anywhere...and I get on in Phoenix and it looks good for me to get to that wonderful European destination, too. But, while I'm in the air, a bunch of former Easties, with more seniority, decide they want to have dinner in Paris, or wherever. I'm screwed.

Why is everyone in the East considered to be senior? A LOT of have left and many have been hired off the street. WHO the hell decides to go to Paris on a whim? And it would be BREAKFAST in paris. LOL!


Former westies feel like they saved the east's collective a$$, and therefore don't deserve to go to the bottom of the list.

DP has said we saved both each others. HP was headed for a filing so drop THAT arguement.


Also, one way around this is to call someone with internet access and have them check you in (most cell phones work in the Caribbean, now, and even if there's a charge, it's a small price to pay to get at or near the top of the list)
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Yeah, this is so "FAIR". NOT!
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lax said:
at AA, checkin starts 4hrs prior to scheduled departure. it can be done at the airport or online. there are five major classifications of travel...D1,D2,D2p,D3,ZED. D1, each emp only gets 4 per year, and is highest priority. D2 is standard for all emp's and their significant other. D2p is specifically for emp's parents traveling without the emp and is lower than D2. Parents become D2 when traveling with the emp. D3 is our form of buddy passes, given to whomever is listed in emp's companion travel list, of which your allowed to list 12 names for one given year. ZED is for emp's of other airlines.

is AA's system perfect? NOT!!! but i do believe it is the best system because is doesn't put any single emp at an incumbant advantage or disadvantage. travel is something provided for by the COMPANY one works for, for all emp's. it's not something bargained for like work rules, shifts, vacations etc. therefore its a privelege and not an entitlement to be SHARED by everyone. i think fcfs is a better representation of equality. especially under the current circumstances at usair with so much infighting and disagreements. each emp would know every time they attempted to get on a flight they would have just as much of an opportunity as their fellow co-workers. from an integration standpoint i think fcfs will work better because it doesnt overtly alienate or embrace any particular group...its not prejudicial or biased. its one step that could prove anecdotal in that it will eliminate "old" identifiers and reminders such as what company you came from and focuses on giving respect to all emp's of the new airline from young to old, pilot to ramp, a true sign and recognition of everyone's value and committment to the success of the new entity. a system like this benefits everyone from least to greatest without one group feeling like they got totally "screwed" and re-interates that everyone is a valued employee of the new usair.

as far as the commuter issue i would be interested in knowing how much of my workforce depends on commuting, before i'd want to create a new boarding classification just to suit them. my first thought is that commuting is a choice made by the emp, therefore the company shouldn't have to accomodate someone who made the choice to commute. however, i do know there can be extenuating circumstances that could warrant a closer look. but again my initial inclination would be to do whats most fair for the majority, not give special rights that only serve a small minority.
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i agree with this statment
 
Not to worry if this Delta merger goes through it will be DATE OF HIRE just as Delta does, you think they are pissed now wait till they hear about FCFS!!!!!!!!
 
To date I have yet hear of anything that makes me a "true" fan of FCFS. It seems like way to many holes in it for me. I agree that the window being dropped to say 4hours will make it more favorable for everyone. Checking in 12 hours is NOT possible for everyone. The new system MUST be as easy to use and on a level playing field for EVERYONE. I could live with a blend of DOH and FCFS. Please everyone. Oh yeah, if this merger between US and DL truly DID happen they would probably have an issue with a true FCFS as well. They are not tiny and I'm sure their voice would be heard too.
 
At Southwest we have FCFS and it works great. I worked 14 years at USAir and have a working knowledge of both systems. FCFS works far better. You can list weeks in advance, and best of all, the junior people have the same chance as the forever senior people. I know they won't be crazy about it, but because everyone here accepts the system and uses it accordingly, it works.
 
Wasn't the 12 hours to keep one East from blocking out West side and vice-a-versa on flights, because you were checked in to your final destination. Example, PHL - Hawaii or PHX to CDG.

Lower it back to 4 hours and it would put people at a dissadvantage when checking in for flights.
 
SegmentKing said:
If FCFS is based on 4 hours, then I'm game. Otherwise with this 12 hour crap, forget it. Especially with our ETC always down.
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It was 4 hours at America West Airlines. On-line or in-person. It worked. It worked very well. FCFS.

The best part is that the system let you check in for your entire itinerary when checking in for your first flight. This would be really good for anyone traveling east to west, whether it be from Europe and connecting in PHL to anywhere. And actually, Easties could check-in for their first flight and be WAY ahead of a Westie originating in PHX going to say, Hawaii -- putting Westies at a disadvantage. But, if you are making connections, that's seems pretty fair. It could put employees traveling west to east at a disadvantage, too, however; especially, if making a connection. But, if you do the math (length of flight, time of first flight, check in time for first flight, etc) -- it's pretty close if you're talking the differences between the eastern time zone and Phoenix.

It's interesting that AA gives it's employees 4 "priority 1" passes a year and US only gives it's employees 2 (SA1). I miss being able to convert my flexi-passes to SA1 and have no use for the 8 yearly buddy passes.
 
its gonna be bad when this is us fighting for that one last seat...

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boeingdriver213 said:
At Southwest we have FCFS and it works great. I worked 14 years at USAir and have a working knowledge of both systems. FCFS works far better. You can list weeks in advance, and best of all, the junior people have the same chance as the forever senior people. I know they won't be crazy about it, but because everyone here accepts the system and uses it accordingly, it works.
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Let me guess .... you're not very senior over there at Southwest ... nor were you at USAir!

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