Firearm discharges on US Airways flight

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Nothing says "I"m a Republican and have a small you-know-what" than being in the Federal Flying D****ebag Officer program.

Thats funny! Most FFDOs I've flown with don't fit that description, they are just good guys that mean well, but I think there are a few where that applies.

I personally just roll my eyes, figuratively, when I see First Officer Tackleberry giving fas his very own "special" briefing. Same thing goes for the occasional "Jethro double not spy" briefing I get from FAM Tackleberry. Luckily, both types of Tackleberrys are a distinct minority.

 

[700UW]

How would having armed pilots prevented the FAs that had their throats slashed in the 9/11 attacks?

Hint, it wouldnt have.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

just put the Klampetts on Board! Granny can be security, Ellie Mae the FA, Jethro the Pilot, and Jed the FO. Drysdale can take over Parker's job. Jane can be GA.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

just put the Klampetts on Board! Granny can be security, Ellie Mae the FA, Jethro the Pilot, and Jed the FO. Drysdale can take over Parker's job. Jane can be GA.

I forgot about FFDO Patton, your avatar just reminded me though.

 

[ableoneable]

I personally just roll my eyes, figuratively, when I see First Officer Tackleberry giving fas his very own "special" briefing. Same thing goes for the occasional "Jethro double not spy" briefing I get from FAM Tackleberry. Luckily, both types of Tackleberrys are a distinct minority.

I will pass this info along to the FFDOs and FAMs with whom I fly.

"Don't bother to brief, they think you guys are all yahoo cowboys."

 

[ableoneable]

How would having armed pilots prevented the FAs that had their throats slashed in the 9/11 attacks?

Hint, it wouldnt have.

It is my understanding that they are not there to prevent injury or death in the cabin.

Their only mission is to keep the aircraft from being used as a weapon.

 

[BuffaloJoe]

I forgot about FFDO Patton, your avatar just reminded me though.

I would never subject Patton to fly US. Too bad he isn't alive today.

 

[wopr21]

Obviously a there is some reading going on but no comprehending.

I am not saying that guns in the right hand are not necessary. I am saying that I believe the pilots hands are not the hands that generate the most safety. I am saying that an armed pilot is not the deterrant that keeps people so messed up in their beliefs that they think that God will reward them for killing will give a moments thought to an armed pilot. They know they'll die either what ever the outcome is and they are not afraid of it. Look, I am not talking about rational, logical people like you or me. I am talking about total wackos who place no value on their own life much less yours or mine.

Police carry guns and pilots are not police. If we are that afraid that something like 9/11 should happen we should have uniformed armed security in the front of the cabin sitting in jump seats staring at the passengers like they are on a prison bus, better yet. Why don't we all voluntarily submit to being handcuffed to our seats. If we have to use the lav the officer will escort us. All I am saying is that for total security that is how we'd have to live. In my opinion guns in the cockpit is a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and I think it does not really make us safer...... Umm if you want proof well read the article about what happened.

Heres a video you might want to look at. You think that the police are immune to accidental discharges.

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Cop Shoots Self In Classroom While Demonstrating Gun Safety (YouTube)[/topic]

 

[ClueByFour]

Heres a video you might want to look at. You think that the police are immune to accidental discharges.

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Cop Shoots Self In Classroom While Demonstrating Gun Safety (YouTube)[/topic]

That, like what probably happened on the flight in quesiton, was a negligent discharge.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I have had a bad feeling about this from the beginning. This case aside, pilots are some of the angriest and most bitter of all employees. We've seen fist fights and shouting matches with these guys. They hate the company, they graffiti walls, they dress sloppy. Some are basically thugs. Who knows what else some of these guys are capable of.

This was bound to happen and it probably won't be the last incident. Take the guns away!!

If that's how you really feel, you are truly a moron for putting your life in the hands of those "angry pilots" each and every day you are at work.

 

[Richard]

FINAL NOTICE:

This thread is not about politics or gun control. It is about the incident itself. Let's keep on topic or it will be closed. PERIOD.

 

[jwp767]

This just in:

Congress has enacted the "Barney Fife Air Safety Act" wherein all FFDOs are prohibited from carrying more than 1 bullet at a time. Furthermore, said bullet must also be kept in the pilot's left front uniform shirt pocket until such time that it is necessary to use it.

 

[Bobbie]

Since everyone else is doing it, I figure I'll add my expert California housewife opinion...

I don't like the idea of a system that systematically disarms myself, my fellow passengers, and the crew and then selectively allows certain people to carry a weapon on an aircraft. How are the authorities to know for sure that this person is acceptable to carry a weapon. "Yeah, they're ok, until the gun goes off on approach to Charlotte...then they're not." Next it'll be at 36,000 feet except the gun was pointed back at first class? Sorry. I'm against it and it makes me feel less safe. But, it's the law of the land and I'll accept it as a necessary evil.

In my day-to-day life, I'll take it two ways: it's either everyone has guns or no one has guns for me. I'll accept either way, just make sure yours is bigger than mine if we go with the latter.

Obviously, this incident was a negligent discharge. What's disturbing to me is that the weapon in question and the angle at which it was fired, etc. looks like they had it out and were handling it in flight. Hell it was on descent. And by handling, I mean an object coming into contact with and then depressing the trigger. Given the objects in the cockpit that could conceivably press the trigger, the likely culprit would be the finger of the person handling the weapon.

So, in summary, someone picked up the gun, put their finger through it and squeezed back on the trigger. Given how most incidents of this nature occur, I'd say they were goofing around and thought it was unloaded when one guy thought it wise to "dry fire" the weapon and, surprise, a bullet shoots out...there was one in the chamber.

The moral of the story is never "think" a weapon is unloaded and never dry-fire a weapon or attempt to, regardless of if you "know" it's unloaded. It's just not wise.

 

[jetmech01890]

so with all that has been said on this issue the best thing to do is end this program just a idea like said my pages ago they now change their tatics no more shoe bombers,no more box cutters after spending 1.5 yrs on convoy patrols in Iraq they change tactics daily to fit the situation so just end collect up all the weapons some pilots might not want to give them up but you get paid to fly not police the airways . I still say give the Flight attendants stun guns or mace piss one of those off you will never make it to the flight deck

 

[nycbusdriver]

Since everyone else is doing it, I figure I'll add my expert California housewife opinion...

I don't like the idea of a system that systematically disarms myself, my fellow passengers, and the crew and then selectively allows certain people to carry a weapon on an aircraft. How are the authorities to know for sure that this person is acceptable to carry a weapon. "Yeah, they're ok, until the gun goes off on approach to Charlotte...then they're not." Next it'll be at 36,000 feet except the gun was pointed back at first class? Sorry. I'm against it and it makes me feel less safe. But, it's the law of the land and I'll accept it as a necessary evil.

In my day-to-day life, I'll take it two ways: it's either everyone has guns or no one has guns for me. I'll accept either way, just make sure yours is bigger than mine if we go with the latter.

Obviously, this incident was a negligent discharge. What's disturbing to me is that the weapon in question and the angle at which it was fired, etc. looks like they had it out and were handling it in flight. Hell it was on descent. And by handling, I mean an object coming into contact with and then depressing the trigger. Given the objects in the cockpit that could conceivably press the trigger, the likely culprit would be the finger of the person handling the weapon.

So, in summary, someone picked up the gun, put their finger through it and squeezed back on the trigger. Given how most incidents of this nature occur, I'd say they were goofing around and thought it was unloaded when one guy thought it wise to "dry fire" the weapon and, surprise, a bullet shoots out...there was one in the chamber.

The moral of the story is never "think" a weapon is unloaded and never dry-fire a weapon or attempt to, regardless of if you "know" it's unloaded. It's just not wise.

Spoke with someone who knows the pilot. Your description of the event is so far from what actually happened it's ludicrous. But, go right on believing that having an opinion automatically makes you an expert detective. I hope you get a whiff of oxygen soon.