Fergerson

[Knotbuyinit]

Yes...but having to get a permit to own a gun is reason enough to rise up an fight for your rights.

Maybe I'm missing something here but what is this permit you speak of? Never had to get a permit to own a gun.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I think you're missing something here. Mr. Brown committed a felony by using force against the store owner when he was caught stealing blunts. Even if pot were legalized doesn't mean that it would be free.

 
I will give you that Mr. Brown is NOT the poster child for the issue of police overstepping their bounds. The Garner case does a much better job. If Michael Brown and Eric Garner somehow get this debate energized and ongoing then in their deaths IMO they have done a great deal to fix what's wrong.
 
Hey, let's have a law against selling loose cigarettes said no Founding Father ever.

 

[delldude]

 
Yes...but having to get a permit to own a gun is reason enough to rise up an fight for your rights.  FAcing arrest for standing on a street without a permit is best dealt with by just listening to the cop and doing what he tells you.  

 
 
I believe the police responded to the event as dispatched.......I also believe Garner went into some type defensive posture or response refusing to comply.....wasn't it reported Garner had been arrested some thirty one times previously ?  If so, you don't think for an instant Garner wigged out?   I bet 31 times of that hassle you bought, gotta make you reasonably squirrelly when the man drops by and says "Hello" responding to a dispatched call . Any mention of the female police Sgt who witnessed the entire ordeal and reported the event ?

 

[KCFlyer]

Maybe I'm missing something here but what is this permit you speak of? Never had to get a permit to own a gun.

EXACTLY.  But Eric Garner died because he didn't have a permit to stand in a public place.  When this is pointed out, the response is "he'd be alive if he just complied".  Having to get a permit to stand on a public sidewalk, lest you be subjected to forcible takedown that may result in your death is tyranny, but it's not asking too much according to the  "he just shoulda followed orders" crowd. But if you suggest requiring a permit to own a gun, they will pronouce that as tyranny...and the reason the second amendment was created was to protect us from the tyranny of our government.  If they were really opposed to tyranny from the government, seems to me that would be the time to take up arms to prevent sidewalk incidents.  They don't.  They find excuses.   

 

[Knotbuyinit]

If Michael Brown and Eric Garner somehow get this debate energized and ongoing then in their deaths IMO they have done a great deal to fix what's wrong.

Since the day Mr. Brown was shot and killed, 750 African-Americans have been killed by other African-Americans. FBI stats show that on average 6 African-Americans are killed by other African-Americans every single day.

Isn't it ironic that African-Americans are telling white Americans that "Black Lives Matter"?

 

[xUT]

Since the day Mr. Brown was shot and killed, 750 African-Americans have been killed by other African-Americans. FBI stats show that on average 6 African-Americans are killed by other African-Americans every single day.

Isn't it ironic that African-Americans are telling white Americans that "Black Lives Matter"?

That's Racist...

 

[Ms Tree]

Since the day Mr. Brown was shot and killed, 750 African-Americans have been killed by other African-Americans. FBI stats show that on average 6 African-Americans are killed by other African-Americans every single day.

Isn't it ironic that African-Americans are telling white Americans that "Black Lives Matter"?

Do you think some of the anger has something to do with the fact that there was no indictment or criminal trial to determine guilt or innocence?  Also, we know who was involved in the Brown shooting. Has the identity of the other suspects in the homicides you mentioned been determined and if so what was the result of the criminal proceedings.

 
I think the crime issue you are alluding to is a problem that needs to be addressed but I do not think the equivalent you are drawing works. I think a lot of the anger is a result of a perception that minorities are not receiving a fair shake when it comes to the judicial system. Numerous studies have born this out.

 
http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

 
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

 

 

 

[delldude]

EXACTLY.  But Eric Garner died because he didn't have a permit to stand in a public place.  When this is pointed out, the response is "he'd be alive if he just complied".  Having to get a permit to stand on a public sidewalk, lest you be subjected to forcible takedown that may result in your death is tyranny, but it's not asking too much according to the  "he just shoulda followed orders" crowd. But if you suggest requiring a permit to own a gun, they will pronouce that as tyranny...and the reason the second amendment was created was to protect us from the tyranny of our government.  If they were really opposed to tyranny from the government, seems to me that would be the time to take up arms to prevent sidewalk incidents.  They don't.  They find excuses.   

 
Eric Garner died because he refused to comply with a lawful order. Twist it anyway you want. He chose to resist. Cop has a right to handcuff you while performing an investigation for his own protection. Garner escalated the situation.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Since the day Mr. Brown was shot and killed, 750 African-Americans have been killed by other African-Americans. FBI stats show that on average 6 African-Americans are killed by other African-Americans every single day.

Isn't it ironic that African-Americans are telling white Americans that "Black Lives Matter"?

 
It's a non issue and a smokescreen. It does not change the fact that two men were killed during interactions with police.
 
With Garner, if we didn't have silly nanny state laws against selling loose cigarettes, Mr garner would be alive today.
 
Michael Brown??? Who knows?? He's not the poster boy for police abuse of power or authority. But you have to ask this question. If pot & other drugs were legal what is the likelihood that Mr. Brown would have had money to buy the pot and blunts and never had an interaction with Officer Wilson?

 

[xUT]

 
It's a non issue and a smokescreen. It does not change the fact that two men were killed during interactions with police.
 
With Garner, if we didn't have silly nanny state laws against selling loose cigarettes, Mr garner would be alive today.
 
Michael Brown??? Who knows?? He's not the poster boy for police abuse of power or authority. But you have to ask this question. If pot & other drugs were legal what is the likelihood that Mr. Brown would have had money to buy the pot and blunts and never had an interaction with Officer Wilson?

If Brown would have tried to strong arm his dealer like he did the little store clerk, then he would have never been in a position to steal cigars.
But that would be a black on black crime which is OK.

 

[KCFlyer]

Since the day Mr. Brown was shot and killed, 750 African-Americans have been killed by other African-Americans. FBI stats show that on average 6 African-Americans are killed by other African-Americans every single day.

Isn't it ironic that African-Americans are telling white Americans that "Black Lives Matter"?

 
Did they give the number of whites killed by whites?  Yet you want us to focus on "black on black" crime...don't white lives matter?  

 

[KCFlyer]

 
Eric Garner died because he refused to comply with a lawful order. Twist it anyway you want. He chose to resist. Cop has a right to handcuff you while performing an investigation for his own protection. Garner escalated the situation.

 
If they ban semiautomatic weapons and you happen to own one, will you give it up if a cop gives you a lawful order to do so? 

 

[delldude]

 
If they ban semiautomatic weapons and you happen to own one, will you give it up if a cop gives you a lawful order to do so? 

 
Guess so.

 

[delldude]

 
Did they give the number of whites killed by whites?  Yet you want us to focus on "black on black" crime...don't white lives matter?  

 
 http://blackdemographics.com/culture/crime/

 

[KCFlyer]

 
Guess so

So, how do you rise up to fight tyranny if that happens?