FAA To Drop New Interpretation Of Mechanic Rest Rule

[Rogallo]

And then stooges like you show up here and in the public view desperately trying to get some credit for something positive, while your union sucks in every aspect of good representation. A large number of members are now seeing this truth and TWU's days are numbered.

Aint that the truth.

 

[Bob Owens]

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

Really? When I look ariound I see Union and non-union alike that get more pay, more vacation, more Holidays and more sick time than we get. And none of them work for an airline thats crying poor mouth as they sit on a 500 airplane order. What airport do you work at where our peers earn less?

You, as usual are working against our profession. You are perpetuating a vicious cycle. By increasing the supply of labor you are devaluing that labor. In response to lower wages workers have to work more hours in order to make up for the loss which in turn devalues the labor even more.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

Hey don,

It is directly because of the twu's inability to "fight like Hell" that many people have to cs to make ends meet. Unless a person is an appointed twu int. rep. like bobby " lower your expectations" gless who makes three times what a member makes. I don' t see gless and conley pulling doubles with each other.

Your posts must be pleasing to your masters.

Go AMFA!

 

[Bob Owens]

I'm not a mechanic either, but here's my guess:

Most people agree that it would be unsafe if pilots were not granted by law some mandatory rest periods and limits on the amount of flying they can do in a given day/month/year. If not for the legal limits, there would be a certain number of pilots who would disregard common sense and fly while fatigued so they could pile up even more money.

The limits were not put in place for the pilots to prevent greedy pilots from working too much, they were put in place to prevent greedy airlines from assigning them to fly too much.

I'm not taking a position on who is right here or whether safety is or is not compromised, but it looks like those in favor of unbridled self-interest (or greed) convinced the FAA that over-worked mechanics don't diminish safety of the flying public. The FAA doesn't get involved in pay rates of mechanics, so why should it mandate how many hours they may work or how many days off they get each week/month?

Maybe for the same reason I'm subject by law to random drug testing but you are not? I say do away with all of it and throw us under the NLRA as well. Let the market determine what level of safety is acceptable. I'll drive.


There are no clear definitions as far as duty times for mechanics. I recall a fellow mechanic who was pressured to remain on a job, which he did, then fell asleep behind the wheel and wrecked his truck on the way home. He was lucky he did not get killed.

Sure doubles and working without taking days off has become the way many mechanics deal with the miserable conditions that the TWU put in place for us, I did it for years, but whats sad is instead of fighting to improve those condistions so we dont have to work so many hours they fight to make sure that we can continue to work excessive hours, now ultimately who benifits from that? THE COMPANY!!!

 

[comatose]

That's a terrible rationalization.



If that's your "understanding," then you're even more out of step than I thought.

Welcome to the TWU Int'l way of life. Bob V is nothing but Don's stool pigeon.

 

[swamt]

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

There you go again. AMFA did not lose 80% of it's membership to outsourcing as you claim. The mechanics at NWA "chose" and "voted" to strike knowing full well that it could lead to them not having a job. When a company is trying to rif well over 50% of the members, then all the mechanics were willing to go all the way for the craft of the mechanics. For this the AMFA members at NWA should be comended for standing up to the company. Although they did lose the battle, at least they did stand up and fight. Unlike the ever TWU caving in and agreeing to consessions for over 3 decades. If anything, AMFA members at NWA proved they are willing to fight and not give up so easily and quickly like the TWU always does.
Most all out here knows what happend at NWA; your just trying once again to spread your lies and misinfomation. What I do blame AMFA for, as far as the NWA strike is, they waited too long to strike. They should have struck at the moment they were bringing in scabs to be trained, or even before that. They let the company get too prepared on their side, bad timing...
Now, who do you blame for the loss of members at AA with the TWU? Let me guess, AMFA? Huh? TWU just agreed to the loss of thousands upon thousands of job losses, pay reductions, retirement bennies, retirement medical ect... in 2012, as well as in 2003 and 1993. Nice try, trying to blame AMFA again.

 

[swamt]

That's a terrible rationalization.



If that's your "understanding," then you're even more out of step than I thought.

My god! When did you ever think he was in step?

 

[Vortilon]

How is losing 80% of the M&R members you represent to outsourcing advancing A&P's recognition? It's not. Just look at the BLS stats. The majority of those who lost their jobs NEVER made the same wage again. Great job AMFA. The promise of a fat paycheck, even if it is somewhere else was a lie. Delle got a fat check and the 80% got unemployment. Again, watch Red Tails and then hear from real AMFA members and watch them pack U Hauls as they lost everything having their careers advanced by Delle.

Vortilon the air flow is separating and you are in a stall.

Here is where you and the majority of us line AMTs disagree. Although having in house overhaul is preferred, giving away our pay and benefits to the point we are at now - last in the industry in pay and benefits in every category isn't worth it. We are tired of the TWU negotiating away our pay and benefits (sort of a forced charitable contribution) in an effort to hold off the eventual RIF, so the TWU can be perceived as some sort of saviour. Then, call anybody greedy or selfish for calling you out on this farce. Like the BS you say about AMFA. You are a selfish commie - only care about how many dues payers the international has, not their quality of pay and benefits. Hence the term "Workers" in the union's name. In other words we are all the same regardless off skill. That is unless you are a flight dispatcher - I mean having to get through six weeks of night school and some ojt whew - yeah that's worth $50ph right. Or how bout the sim techs working on pretend airplanes in a climate controlled environment making $10ph more that a line AMT? It is easier to take from the AMTs isn't it. Well, Don not all of us choose to believe the lies you and the rest of the international spout. Like I said before, your time is coming, and karma can be a bi+ch.

 

[Bob Owens]

TWU just agreed to the loss of thousands upon thousands of job losses, pay reductions, retirement bennies, retirement medical ect...

Whats really sad is we gave the company more than they wanted. Sure they threatened to outsource 4500 jobs but the fact is they could not have cut 4500 jobs if we had voted NO, they cant even cut loose the guys who put in for the Early out or the SIS and are trying to hire off the street in several cities. Sure over time they may get there but then why agree to the other concessions? Why not cut the guys who are ready to leave loose? They claim they need them to accomplish all the work they have, let them go already, let the other guys work OT instead of CS's , hell they even have the option to outsource, well then why arent they? If we are such a burden to them then why arent they oputsourcing the work in order to let the guys go? Oh yea, seats falling out, etc.

 

[swamt]

Whats really sad is we gave the company more than they wanted. Sure they threatened to outsource 4500 jobs but the fact is they could not have cut 4500 jobs if we had voted NO, they cant even cut loose the guys who put in for the Early out or the SIS and are trying to hire off the street in several cities. Sure over time they may get there but then why agree to the other concessions? Why not cut the guys who are ready to leave loose? They claim they need them to accomplish all the work they have, let them go already, let the other guys work OT instead of CS's , hell they even have the option to outsource, well then why arent they? If we are such a burden to them then why arent they oputsourcing the work in order to let the guys go? Oh yea, seats falling out, etc.

Your right Bob, it is truely sad. You know any union at AA during this past BK negos more than likely would of experienced some sort of concessions from AA. However, the only reason I am hammering on the TWU is because they have been continuously doing it for decades. I just can't believe they are still representing you guys at AA. Agreeing with the company all the time is pathetic. Fighting for the members and having something forced upon you would be easier to take, as far as a union fighting for it's members goes.

 

[Kev3188]

My god! When did you ever think he was in step?

Lol.

I didn't; it's just worse than I thought...

 

[furp]

Great victory for the Totally Worthless Union. Keep your lowest paid in the industry mechanics available for your masters, AA. Lowest paid, least vacation, least sick time......what an embarrassment to industry!!! TWU has singlehandedly destroyed the airline mechanics once proud career.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Chuck SW mechanics do use a lot of CS'ing. Ask them. We got a guy who went there a few years back and he uses it commute. CS'ing is important but again you are locked in to one-dimensional thinking which is why you always get outplayed by management. It's not always about pay.

Want to be like SW in pay? Okay, then give AA the whole AMFA contract. That includes 4 lines of overhaul for 622 aircraft which we don't have anymore. So there goes TUL and TAESL.

Want to be like UA in pay? Okay, then give AA the whole IBT contract which includes no cap on outsourcing. The no RIF language is only if it is as a result of outsourcing. UA already outsourced the last of their airframe overhaul under AMFA's watch.

Want to be like CO in pay? Okay, then give AA the while IBT contract which includes no cap on outsourcing. They do no engines or components and only limited NB overhaul.

Again Chuck you lack critical thinking skills.

NO Overspeed I lack a career!

You emphasized the CS'ing as important, I emphaszie a career as more important

 

[Chuck Schalk]

I agree. No one should work more than 8 hours a day to support their family reasonably. That is not because of the TWU. Look around, all unionized jobs have been hit hard with wage cuts.

It seems that people like you will blame the TWU for everything you believe is bad and claim AMFA did everything good. So AMFA losing 80% of their members jobs to outsourcing was good? Okay. Now I understand your rating system.

thats why AMFA went on strike because of NWA outsourcing proposal and laying off 50% of the workers.....no one supported them and by not doing so backed NWA and their outsourcing proposal. Overspeed you cant stand on the side lines and then cry foul.

 

[Bob Owens]

Here is where you and the majority of us line AMTs disagree. Although having in house overhaul is preferred, giving away our pay and benefits to the point we are at now - last in the industry in pay and benefits in every category isn't worth it. We are tired of the TWU negotiating away our pay and benefits (sort of a forced charitable contribution) in an effort to hold off the eventual RIF, so the TWU can be perceived as some sort of saviour. Then, call anybody greedy or selfish for calling you out on this farce. Like the BS you say about AMFA. You are a selfish commie - only care about how many dues payers the international has, not their quality of pay and benefits. Hence the term "Workers" in the union's name. In other words we are all the same regardless off skill. That is unless you are a flight dispatcher - I mean having to get through six weeks of night school and some ojt whew - yeah that's worth $50ph right. Or how bout the sim techs working on pretend airplanes in a climate controlled environment making $10ph more that a line AMT? It is easier to take from the AMTs isn't it. Well, Don not all of us choose to believe the lies you and the rest of the international spout. Like I said before, your time is coming, and karma can be a bi+ch.

OS calls us greedy and selfish for expecting to earn what other people working for the airlines doing maintenance earn but its ok for Tulsa to force us by virtue of their majority to price themselves higher than who they have accepted as their peers in the MRO industry at our expense. We earn less than our peers so they can earn more than their peers but we are the ones he says are greedy.Remember that Tulsa voted by a wide margin against the 2010 TA, but then voted by a wide margin for what we have now. Why the change? How much lower is the pay for Tulsa in this agreement compared to the 2010 TA that was rejected? Was it because the line was getting wages that were more in line with what airline mechanics were getting while Tulsa was wasnt? According to OS thats OK, and we on the line should be willing to give concessions to keep people who are not willing to fight for raises, but willing to fight to make sure we dont get them if they dont. When Ream came in and offered an extra 50 cents to the line Tulsa freaked, said that if thats the case Tulsa was out, they would make sure its rejected, the line cant get a penny more than Tulsa gets. They wont fight for what other airlines pay their mechanics and they wont allow us to get it either but according to OS we are the selfish ones.

I disagree with your claim that OS is a Commie, I think he is worse, he is a fraud, a pro company stooge who tries to pass himself off as a unionist while pushing a solidly anti union agenda that advocates working more hours for less pay. "Arbeit macht frei", as long as someone else is doing it that is.


So OS comes here and claims that allowing companies to assign mechanics to work up to 24 days without rest is a victory, yes, for the A4A and Aircon, but not for mechanics or unions who should still be striving for a fair wage based on 40 hours work with at least two days off per week.