FAA To Drop New Interpretation Of Mechanic Rest Rule

[Vortilon]

And Delle laughed all the way to the bank with his $500K annuity that only he will ever get since the language was removed after he got it. All those jobs outsourced resulting in 80% of their members losing their jobs so that the other 20% can get $5 an hour more. That's the AMFA way!

Ken, if that's what happens I'm fine with that. You and me both have more than 25 years seniority so we will reap the benefits. Make sure you buy the lower seniority guys that lose their jobs a cup of coffee at least.

And Ken, you sure loved it when those appointed union reps argued for more slots in DFW so you could move with your family from SAN. Go back to your heavy coffee maker changes and then you have a nap to take soon don't you?

Take your sorry ### guilt trips and shove em! You don't know squat about the AMFA. Funny how you don't mention anything about Delle's lean years. He put the time in, even when everything looked bad. He fought the good fight. I don't have a problem with what he got - at least he earned it. BTW, I had a brother at NWA during the AMFA strike there, so don't try and BS me on what happened there either!

 

[Overspeed]

Take your sorry ### guilt trips and shove em! You don't know squat about the AMFA. Funny how you don't mention anything about Delle's lean years. He put the time in, even when everything looked bad. He fought the good fight. I don't have a problem with what he got - at least he earned it. BTW, I had a brother at NWA during the AMFA strike there, so don't try and BS me on what happened there either!

Have you watched the documentary Red Tails (about NWA strike)? It's very clear. Regardless of how management was evil there AMFA got played. Watch the part where they didn't even know replacements were coming in until the AMTs were told to go home prior to their shift ending because NWA management wanted to get the scabs onboard. Isn't it the leaderships responsibility of planning a job action to know your adversary? Delle deserved to get paid $500K for that first class screw up? Okay.

 

[comatose]

On the line it affects a lot of us. CS'ing, especially doubles, are a big deal to us. Some stations even have CS brokers to manage all the CS'ing that goes on. 4,000 plus line mechanics are a very significant portion of the membership. Restrictions on CS's that are onerous would make matters worse.

You are definately NOT one of us.

 

[Realityck]

Take your sorry ### guilt trips and shove em! You don't know squat about the AMFA. Funny how you don't mention anything about Delle's lean years. He put the time in, even when everything looked bad. He fought the good fight. I don't have a problem with what he got - at least he earned it. BTW, I had a brother at NWA during the AMFA strike there, so don't try and BS me on what happened there either!

I met Delle years ago and he and his sidekick Manchester were nothing more than two snake oil salesmen. He screwed up at NWA because of his "AMFA never give concessions" BS backed him into a corner.

His comment to me was "American management will give us what we want because they know we're professionals". What a crock.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

And Delle laughed all the way to the bank with his $500K annuity that only he will ever get since the language was removed after he got it. All those jobs outsourced resulting in 80% of their members losing their jobs so that the other 20% can get $5 an hour more. That's the AMFA way!

Ken, if that's what happens I'm fine with that. You and me both have more than 25 years seniority so we will reap the benefits. Make sure you buy the lower seniority guys that lose their jobs a cup of coffee at least.

And Ken, you sure loved it when those appointed union reps argued for more slots in DFW so you could move with your family from SAN. Go back to your heavy coffee maker changes and then you have a nap to take soon don't you?

Blah, blah, blah. Accusations coming from someone hiding behind an alias is all you have. Your attempt, again, to slander/ belittle Line Technicians is your safety net?

Delle got what he earned for carrying the fight against cowards like yourself. Your precious twu couldn't even debate him on your home turf in Tulsa. All you cowards could do was get a coffin and parade it up and down the street. Lol!

YOU peddle another industry leading concessionary contract then claim the twu has the strength to battle issues related to those within my craft and class? I'll say it again... stay behind your alias so know one knows exactly how big a tool you are.

Go AMFA!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

I met Delle years ago and he and his sidekick Manchester were nothing more than two snake oil salesmen. He screwed up at NWA because of his "AMFA never give concessions" BS backed him into a corner.

His comment to me was "American management will give us what we want because they know we're professionals". What a crock.

Hey look, the "crock master" is back defending don. How touching. You know I met Delle also and I have met little. One man stood for principles and the other stepped on them. One man actually "fought like Hell" while the other just shouted it. One man was actually a certificated A & P Technician who fought for our craft and profession while the other was given a fake diploma and fought against our craft and profession.

When you met Delle did you hide behind a paper bag like you do your alias?

Go AMFA!

 

[Tex-Mech]

Hunh.

Am I the only one that finds it interesting that the TWU and A4A were working together?

They also worked closely with the Tulsa Chamber of Commerce, so No would be my answer.

 

[Tex-Mech]

PWA wanted 121.377 to be interpreted as one day off in every seven. After pressure from A4A and the TWU the FAA agreed that the new more restrictive interpretation was incorrect.


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I realize that this thread has gone way off topic, but I am not so sure I agree with this. The pilots are always fighting to fly less hours and be paid more, while we are worried about AMT's wanting to double and work 7 days a week-16 hours a day to survive. Why not work less and be paid more, and have a home life too? Is that not the unions responsibility, and not to push its workers to the brink by begging the FAA to allow their workers to be able to work up to 53 days straight?

 

[blue collar]

I realize that this thread has gone way off topic, but I am not so sure I agree with this. The pilots are always fighting to fly less hours and be paid more, while we are worried about AMT's wanting to double and work 7 days a week-16 hours a day to survive. Why not work less and be paid more, and have a home life too? Is that not the unions responsibility, and not to push its workers to the brink by begging the FAA to allow their workers to be able to work up to 53 days straight?

I was thinking the same thing when reading all of this.

 

[Bob Owens]

Unions the people who brought you the weekend. Thats what unions used to boast about. Now we have a union working hand in hand with the airlines lobbists saying that we dont need a weekend at all just the equivelent hours of rest. Even t he bible says we should rest on the seventh day but our union says "work away". With yhe terms they tell us to accept we really dont have much choice.

 

[Vortilon]

Have you watched the documentary Red Tails (about NWA strike)? It's very clear. Regardless of how management was evil there AMFA got played. Watch the part where they didn't even know replacements were coming in until the AMTs were told to go home prior to their shift ending because NWA management wanted to get the scabs onboard. Isn't it the leaderships responsibility of planning a job action to know your adversary? Delle deserved to get paid $500K for that first class screw up? Okay.

AMFA got played? What would the TWU have done, given the same circumstances? Be honest. Remember, a yes vote gets 51% of the membership layed off - most of which were non A&Ps.

Regardless of the NWA/AMFA issue, Delle did more to advance A&Ps recognition/importance than all the other one size fits all communist unions like the TWU, IAM, or IBT. I have NO problem with Delle's retirement fund. Since you brought up union boss pay, How is it a fricken secretary at the TWU is pulling down over $100k per year? Why do the international posers continue to get annual raises when the people they represent are going backwards in pay and benefits? Jim Little and his mail order diploma pulling down over $250K per year? Really? Keep putting em on the ladies tee for me.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

On the line it affects a lot of us. CS'ing, especially doubles, are a big deal to us. Some stations even have CS brokers to manage all the CS'ing that goes on. 4,000 plus line mechanics are a very significant portion of the membership. Restrictions on CS's that are onerous would make matters worse.

Overspeed you are so short sighted in a long career

CS'ing in your words is "a big deal"

So the TWU will "fight like hell" to save our CS'ing so we can work more to offset the lack of raises and increased costs.
Where was the "fight like helll" in negotiations?
Keep bragging about saving the CS'ing it only shows that we don't make enough money under the TWU ATD otherwise it would not be so important!
Many people use the CS'ing for second jobs and extra money that is something you can sell to the southwest mechanics.

 

[JAFA]

I'm confused. The FAA issued an interpretation that required a rest period and one or more unions challenged it? Why is this a good thing? Now, admittedly I am not a mechanic, but it seems interpreting similiar to the 24 hours free from duty in any rolling 7 days like the crews have makes sense. WHy is it good that this was changed. I am not trying to pit one union against another, just wondering why this would be soemthing any union would challenge.

 

[Bob Owens]

It's a six year deal with a an early opener after 48 months. Also, you will be getting a raise to industry standard 36 months after DOS. That will most likely raise top rate to higher than $37.20 or more dependent on how well UA/CO, DL, and US do. You won't be at the bottom or the top but you will be industry standard. No other union negotiating in BK got that kind of language.

You are an angry man brother.

Wrong, pay includes things like Vacation, Holidays and even sick time, So even if our hourly wage was put in the middle our infereior compensation as far as vacation, Holidays and sick time knocks several dollars off our pay

 

[Bob Owens]

It's a six year deal with a an early opener after 48 months. Also, you will be getting a raise to industry standard 36 months after DOS. That will most likely raise top rate to higher than $37.20 or more dependent on how well UA/CO, DL, and US do. You won't be at the bottom or the top but you will be industry standard. No other union negotiating in BK got that kind of language.

You are an angry man brother.

Wrong, pay includes things like Vacation, Holidays and even sick time, So even if our hourly wage was put in the middle our infereior compensation as far as vacation, Holidays and sick time knocks several dollars off our pay