FAA approves move by Atlanta-area airport opposed by Delta

[Hope777]

Robbed, I'm sure WT sits home in front of the computer in their old Delta Uniform !

 

[robbedagain]

most likely hope     may be a red coat  from back in the days

 

[swamt]

Justified entirely by the fact that it was in the economic best interests of the Company...

In reality, it was about 220 flights, and a lot of them on DL* instead of mainline metal, but there was still a huge impact... if I recall, over 2000 people were laid off from the express carriers alone, and that may have only been the local DFW impact. Not sure what the layoffs were in other locations which didn't keep service to ATL, MEM, or CVG.

He's seems to forget this time frame all together.  18 to 24 year veterans were affected by this reduction at DFW you bring up.  Some of those veterans are now at SWA over at DAL LF.  But to quit Delta after 18-20 years and start over just speaks volumes.  Yes it was some folks decision to quit, but it was quit or get forced out of Dallas if they wanted to remain a Delta employee.  Some were told to go to ATL or quit, so they quit.  So sad to see these very, very long term employees being treated this way.
On a side note E, do you know the number of flights Delta is currently flying out of DFW? They are only at 5 (I believe) at DAL, but released that they were going to do as high as 18-20 afterW/A went away.  Once they were restricted to one gate instead of 2 gates on a temporary basis we have never heard any more on the original 18-20 flights they were gonna fly.  
Your 220 flts killed at DFW sounds correct to me.  I know for fact it was above 205 at one time but that was the last number that stuck in my head, but easily may have reached 220 as you say, all I know is it was a huge, huge reduction around the 04-05 time frame...

 

[Kev3188]

I know you asked E, but while we're waiting, I believe there's roughly 39 (average) daily departures out of DFW...

 

[WorldTraveler]

So E posted this:
 

And we got this in response:
 
 
 
And this:
 
 
 

Why argue with it, when it wasn't what was asked?

E posted about total number of markets, not a percentage of anything.

So, how 'bout it? How many total cities (markets) has WN left over the course of it's history? Not a percentage, not a portion that involves overlapping networks; just a total number.

and yet neither you nor E nor anyone else has come up with the exact number of markets that either carrier MIGHT have had - yet you are convinced that I must be wrong.

DL has served over 1900 markets with its own or DCI metal sometime during the last 3 years. WN has served about 1400 markets.

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me because it wouldn't matter if I gave you the list of markets.

You'd still argue.

WN serves FEWER markets and has a smaller network than DL.

E's statement was that WN has cancelled fewer markets than DL in a season.

If season has anything to do with one of the 4 divisions of the year, E"s statement is categorically false.

WN cancelled more markets with the pulldown of FL than DL did in ANY one season.

And lest you argue that FL doesn't count, why should DL count shutting down the MEM hub but WN should be given a pass on the FL system that it dismantled?

and WN cancelled many of its own markets as well... cities like JAN etc were cancelled.

and if you'd like to go back a decade to DL's closure to DFW as a hub, then DL and every other legacy will have a longer history of everything - because DL has a longer history than WN. If you'd like to go back to when DL was flying the Atlantic and WN was flying 3 aircraft within Texas and then argue that WN cancelled less flights, then by all means make that comparison.

It also makes no sense.

and would you like to tell us where the employees who worked for WN ended up in the cities that WN has closed, INCLUDING THE FL CITIES AND INCLUDING THE ATL pulldown?

You love to argue that DL should have responsibility for restructuring its network after the NW merger but WN is not responsible for what happened after the FL merger.

whether you want to admit it or not, WN cancelled service involving more seats since the FL merger than DL has in total.

that's what happens when DL has 50 seat markets and FL/WN use mainline jets.

none of this has anything to do with the fact that the Paulding County commissioners will ever let any commercial service touch down OR take off - but I suppose if you want to have a pi89ng contest about DL or WN, we can surely do that

 

[DL2WN]

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[WorldTraveler]

quit being childish.

If you can't say anything, just bow out.

you look like a pouty little girl trying to block others who actually can contribute something.

 

[eolesen]

and yet neither you nor E nor anyone else has come up with the exact number of markets that either carrier MIGHT have had - yet you are convinced that I must be wrong.

Nope, don't have specifics, because I only have a summer and a winter schedule in my archive for 2004, and don't have one at all for 2005.
 

If season has anything to do with one of the 4 divisions of the year, E"s statement is categorically false.

DL might use four divisions of the year, but IATA typically respects only two: Summer and Winter.
 

and would you like to tell us where the employees who worked for WN ended up in the cities that WN has closed, INCLUDING THE FL CITIES AND INCLUDING THE ATL pulldown?

Dunno, but since the WN & FL employees had union protection, they wound up somewhere or with severance.
You can't say that for the folks who worked for ASA and Comair when DFW's regional operation was axed.

 

[WorldTraveler]

guess what? US domestic routes aren't governed by IATA.

further, WN has no clue what IATA stands for.

uh....many of the DCI carriers including Comair had higher percentages of union representation than DL employees did.

and WN employees got absolutely nothing that DL employees didn't also get.

but since you and swamt are deep into the realms of stupidity, can we go back to the big picture one more time?

a couple someones made the claim that WN pioneered the concept of cutting markets for profitability and yet they want to hold DL accountable for closing DFW and yet want to gloss over the wholesale dismantling that WN did to FL.

and since you are talking about hub closures, AA's list of hub closures is pretty long, isn't it? I'm sure you'd love to draw a line just on the other side of when DL closed DFW but how about AA's closure of STL, RDU, SJC, BNA and US' list that is as long as your mother's grocery list.

but we don't count those, now do we? because if we did we couldn't use the argument that WN invented the concept of pulling out of markets for profitability nor would we have to admit that there were a huge number of employees in all of those closed non-DL hubs that were displaced and came nowhere close to being compensated for their inconvenience.

we wouldn't DARE admit that, now would we?

 

[Kev3188]

Sooo.... anyone know how many markets WN has left over the course of their history?

 

[WorldTraveler]

since 2000, WN has cancelled 198 markets of the 1368 it has ever served between Nov 2000 and now.

WN flies 650 routes - almost half of all routes served in that time - which they did not serve 14 years ago.

I don't have schedule data before 2000

 

[eolesen]

WT's going to focus on O&D's now?...

The original line of discussion was closing cities and exiting a market, not dropping nonstop cities from A-B when service from A-C remained in place.

Sorry, but I've got far better things to do with my time.

 

[swamt]

I know you asked E, but while we're waiting, I believe there's roughly 39 (average) daily departures out of DFW...

Ok thx for that Kev. I did not know what it was. 
Another question.  How many mechanics are still at DFW?  If any at all, they may now very well be using contract maint at DFW with that few of flights now.

 

[swamt]

WT's going to focus on O&D's now?...

The original line of discussion was closing cities and exiting a market, not dropping nonstop cities from A-B when service from A-C remained in place.

Sorry, but I've got far better things to do with my time.

E, stop, don't do it. He is probing to get a bite.  He always changes his original game to gain after the fact.  He's just twisting and churning once again to make it all look in his favor once again.  You proved him wrong again, as I , and others have, and he will now twist around to try and make it look like he said or meant something different.  Typical WT at his norm.  I have gave it up, as you should do, unless you just thrive on his kind of CRAP...

 

[WorldTraveler]

again, swamt, your hypocrisy is in wanting to hammer away incessantly at DL for restructuring DL at DFW but giving a pass to WN for closing 18 cities over the past 2 years while pretending those people have no lives or weren't impacted

typical swamt as herself.

 

WT's going to focus on O&D's now?...

The original line of discussion was closing cities and exiting a market, not dropping nonstop cities from A-B when service from A-C remained in place.

Sorry, but I've got far better things to do with my time.

airlines don't fly O&D, E; they fly routes or segments.

these are segment numbers.

it's a good thing you don't work as a consultant any more.

If you think for even a split second these are O&D numbers and not segments, you have no clue about DL or WN's networks. not even close to a clue.