Execs And Mgmt - What Is There Givebacks?

[Res]

Haven't heard any news, you think they would tow the line and be first in line....to show a good company spirit...

 

[jimntx]

You're so funny.
You should be on Last Comic Standing. Management taking a paycut??? That's almost as funny as the one about the traveling salesman.

 

[F/AinDay]

Seriously... If the company will be asking for temporary pay cuts from the union workers, isn't it reasonable that the judge would ask the same of the mgt team?

 

[tadjr]

Heard from a supvr at work that the manager said they were looking at about 40 million from management. Just second hand info though.

 

[PITbull]

Is that all?

There is over 4,000 non-union workers at U. Senior Mangement should take double what they are asking from the pilot group.

 

[usair_begins_with_u]

last I heard.. about a week ago.. quite a few of the managers (not senior) in CCY got about a 5-10% raise... some of you wont believe me, others will. I dont spread rumors.

 

[MarkMyWords]

You're information about raises is incorrect. Check your facts. Also, didn't nearly all of the contract employees also get token raises at the begining of the year?

 

[PITbull]

Mark,

Token raises for labor?

Check your facts.... those were contractual snapbacks in Jan. 2004 due to huge wage decreases in Summer 2002, in case it slipped your mind.

I do have an e-mail from brucey to managment stating when he first came on board that managment (excluding senior management) would receive 4% RAISE commencing on July 1, and that their would be "retention bonsuses" awarded on a quarterly basis.

WOULD YOU SIT HERE AND CALL ME A LIAR AND TELL ME MY FACTS ARE INCORRECT?

If you missed yours...I would notify Brucey ASAP. Of course, he may have heard you just didn't deserve a bonus.

 

[usair_begins_with_u]

You're information about raises is incorrect. Check your facts. Also, didn't nearly all of the contract employees also get token raises at the begining of the year?

[post="183287"][/post]​

Umm B.S. Jr. I know for a fact some managers did just get a raise and this is true. Don't speak up unless you know the facts.... that or you are a MGMT mole... If some one wants to bet me a large sum of money on this, please send me a PM, I can furnish the info first hand... any takers???

yeah I thought so, now sit down MarkMyWords or put your DELETED money where your mouth is..

THE BS STOPS HERE!!!

 

[USA320Pilot]

In a previous proposal made to ALPA on August 22, 2004, management provided the MSP Contribution Summary that includes the following giveback:

-- Amount: Approximately $35 million annually, or about 15% of payroll.

-- Competitive Pay Data: Our survey of 49 low-cost carrier (LCC) management positions shows that about 60% of our MSP people are paid within 10% below to 5% above their LCC counterparts. Of the remaining 40%, most are paid 5% to 10% above their counterparts.

-- Competitive Productivity: This comparison requires adjustments for the size and complexity of our operations (for example, today’s LCCs do not have Transoceanic operations).

-- MSP Employees: Changes to MSP, as with all labor unions, could come in the form of any combination of pay, sick, vacation, other productivity, retirement and retiree medical. To the extent medial and dental benefits are affected, MSP employees would have the same changes.

-- Corporate Officers: Corporate Officers will take sizable reductions in total compensation.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[MarkMyWords]

Pitbull,

You call them snap backs, some call them raises. They were the same exact thing. Management, non-contract and MSP employees all took paycuts when contract labor did. So if the raises that AFA received are to be considered snap backs, then so are the raises that MSP, non-contract and management employees. Since these employees do not have contracts, they are not guaranteed these "snap backs".

Usair begins with you,

See Pitbull's post. The raises were 4%, not 5-10% and most of those raises went into effect between April and July.

 

[PITbull]

Pitbull,

You call them snap backs, some call them raises. They were the same exact thing. Management, non-contract and MSP employees all took paycuts when contract labor did. So if the raises that AFA received are to be considered snap backs, then so are the raises that MSP, non-contract and management employees. Since these employees do not have contracts, they are not guaranteed these "snap backs".

Usair begins with you,

See Pitbull's post. The raises were 4%, not 5-10% and most of those raises went into effect between April and July.

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I go by what my contract says...its called "snap back". My particular point is not begruding these folks their raises...my point is THAT IT IS TRUE THAT THEY RECEIVED THIS IN JULY.

AND IT IS EMPHATICALLY TRUE THAT LAKEFIELD INITIATED QUARTERLY RETENTION BONUSES TO ENSURE THAT HE WOULD NOT LOSE MANAGERS BY THE GROVES....AS STATED BY HIM.

That is how he justified those actions, while in the same breath stating all of labor must comply to reduce wages even further.

 

[PITbull]

You forget ONE key thing! "Management" labor rates are defined by an individuals marketability. Not an arbitrary or abstract concept of a "Living wage", whatever that is. My ability to perform and market that performance makes me employable an independent of organizations that confiscate my wages to pay for the Robert Roachs and Perry Hayes of the world and their outrageous salaries.

If every union were disolved on the property, the "Fair Market Value" of EVERY employee with the possible exception of A&P mechanics would drop to "Fair market value" for those positions.

Given that fact the BEST you can hope for the orderly economic retreat in the form of negotiated contracts. A "scorched earth" policy woun't help.

PS: If you as a leader in the AFA came to me as say VP Inflight and asked me to take the same 23% sacrifice as the F/A's. My response would be "SURE, NO Problem, Just as soon a Perry Hays or Pat Friend reduce their compensation by the same 23%"! Wanna bet I don't lose a dime?

[post="183319"][/post]​

Bob,

Why do you do that? Flap at the jaw when you no absolutely nothing of what the facts are. Why not investigate the facts so you don't continue to look ridiculous when you post on these matters?

Perry Hayes is a domestic flyer, and collects what he would fly at the pay rate of his seniority. Nothing more; nothing less. He has the same pay rate as every single f/a on the property who has 14 years seniority and up.


The CLT local President of AFA makes more than Perry Hayes, because he is an International flyer.

Get a grip on reality already. ... I thought you knew this after sitting on here for over two years.

Pat Friend is a United f/a. The United f/as took a 9% pay cut last year. Pat took a 10% pay cut last year.

Facts man...facts. Sorry, we don't fit into your "union fairytale book".

 

[lpbrian]

I read were Lakefield said payscales at U should match those at LLC's, such as Southwest. That means the mechanics (AMT's) will get a hefty raise....

 

[delldude]

I read were Lakefield said payscales at U should match those at LLC's, such as Southwest. That means the mechanics (AMT's) will get a hefty raise....

[post="183325"][/post]​

hold your breath and get back to me ...