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[Reed Richards]

Think the nac needs to be putting out specific details on our pay etc. to many rotating targets

[SIZE=10.5pt]I think they are doing a great job on informing us as things gel. Getting most all this year is huge.  It would not surprise me if there will be a cutoff on the retro pay. I would guess maybe a week or so of it would be paid in January.  But so far the NAC has really been pressing the Company to get it all to us.  My advice is sit back and enjoy your new perks, and hope for the best in the JNC process.  Of course we could always use more info on just about everything, I think the amount of new stuff coming over the next month or so is huge. RR[/SIZE]

 

[wopr21]

Will the Dec 15 pay check reflect the new rates or do we have to wait until Jan?

 

[Crzipilot]

Heard a rumor thy dec 15 going forward would be te new rates. Not confirmed though.

I would imagine then that the back pay would go from feb 9. To end of October.

If company can cut checks to American pilots dec 9th.... Why not us on dec 15th?


And as to info, yes a lot for the Mac to keep up with and hopefully we will be seeing some stuff coming out. Reading apa updates I like how they explain the implementation etc...

Haven't read through it all but also like how their contract has q/a in certain sections explaining legalese stuff to plain language. Helps clarify the gray areas

 

[Reed Richards]

Will the Dec 15 pay check reflect the new rates or do we have to wait until Jan?

[SIZE=10.5pt]In the past the 30th check was an estimate for the month just past, and the next 15th check was the catch-up. I don't see how it matters. If you are given your retro pay up until 30 Nov, or even 8 Dec, you would be whole anyway. As to the next raise on Jan 1, you won't see those moneys until your 15 Feb paycheck (the catch-up paycheck for January 2014.) Don't trust me, as I am no longer a dependable source of anonymous internet news. 🙂 RR[/SIZE]

 

[700UW]

US's payroll has nothing to do with AA's pilots and their checks.

 

[Phoenix]

US's payroll has nothing to do with AA's pilots and their checks.

DUI is responsible for everything. Don't let him divide employees so easily!

 

[Pi brat]

[SIZE=10.5pt]Yep, overall improvements. By my calculation, a trip that lasts 70 hours would pay 20 hours, no matter how many days it works.  The 1:3.5 lifts all the boats!  I also think the 1:2 on the long sits is really good.  RR [/SIZE]

Yeah, but if you check in late on day 1, have 3 duty periods and fly one leg in on day 4 then you could get less than 20:00, right? We have 1-3.5 now and have many 3 day trips that pay less than 15:00.

 

[Bill Brasky]

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[Pi brat]

Check your math. Can't happen now or later. If you are away from home for 70 hours, basically a long 3 day, you HAVE to be paid 70 hours. For 4 FULL days, away from home for 96 hours, it's 27 hours and some change. The East contract had loop holes that allowed the company to get away with a lot, especially since there was not a "minimum" day, only an "average minimum" day. They built trips to fly almost nothing on either the first or last day, but packed time into one or both of the other days, so you wound up working for almost nothing on at least one day of the trip. While they can still do this to some degree, there are more penalties for it than before.

Not sure what I'm missing, but not a math major.
 
You check in at 20:00 on the 1st. Fly the 0500 departure out of EWR on the 4th, arrive at CLT at 06:45 and only have 3 duty periods with 13 hours block, what will you get paid?
 
I can't remember any 4days that do this but I can assure you that we have had, and in January have, 3 days that pay less than 15:00.
 
If the 1-3.25 is gone what are the new penalties? What am I missing? I hope I am.

 

[Graceson]

Not sure what I'm missing, but not a math major.
 
You check in at 20:00 on the 1st. Fly the 0500 departure out of EWR on the 4th, arrive at CLT at 06:45 and only have 3 duty periods with 13 hours block, what will you get paid?
 
I can't remember any 4days that do this but I can assure you that we have had, and in January have, 3 days that pay less than 15:00.
 
If the 1-3.25 is gone what are the new penalties? What am I missing? I hope I am.

I Have one in my line. Late out, early in, no DH, 3 duty period 4-day. Pays a dime under 19 hours using current published rigs for Jan.

If the MOU is so malleable then perhaps the corp will have no grief with this fluid agreement including equitable vacation in 2014... among other fuzzy takeaways.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Not sure what I'm missing, but not a math major.
 
You check in at 20:00 on the 1st. Fly the 0500 departure out of EWR on the 4th, arrive at CLT at 06:45 and only have 3 duty periods with 13 hours block, what will you get paid?
 
I can't remember any 4days that do this but I can assure you that we have had, and in January have, 3 days that pay less than 15:00.
 
If the 1-3.25 is gone what are the new penalties? What am I missing? I hope I am.

Now, you will have to be paid at least 3 hours for every "duty period", and 1:3.5 overall. Under the current East rules, there was no "minimum day", as long at the average was 5 hours per duty period. Under the East rules, you could have made even less if you deadheaded on one end of trip or the other, by getting only half pay-no-credit and no duty day, except for the 1:3.5 for the total trip. All of that looks to me to be better under the new rules, we'll see. Doug and the gang have a way of reinterpreting things to suit their needs.

The 1:3.25 rig would have made some difference, but not a lot. I liked that the west got 5:15, basically a whole day of pay, for rest periods of 24 hours or more.

 

[Pi brat]

Now, you will have to be paid at least 3 hours for every "duty period", and 1:3.5 overall. Under the current East rules, there was no "minimum day", as long at the average was 5 hours per duty period. Under the East rules, you could have made even less if you deadheaded on one end of trip or the other, by getting only half pay-no-credit and no duty day, except for the 1:3.5 for the total trip. All of that looks to me to be better under the new rules, we'll see. Doug and the gang have a way of reinterpreting things to suit their needs.

The 1:3.25 rig would have made some difference, but not a lot. I liked that the west got 5:15, basically a whole day of pay, for rest periods of 24 hours or more.

Right, but that 3hrs per duty period doesn't help a 2 DP 3day or 3 DP 4day. I liked the west's long rate too. So did USAPA as they had it TAed, but the APA gave it up.

We have a lot of 30+hour RONs in January, a lot don't and won't pay well. It is what it is but a lot of guys don't understand it.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I wonder if some of this has to do with where aircraft need to be and when. Perhaps the pairing efficiency will begin to improve with time.

 

[Phoenix]

I wonder if some of this has to do with where aircraft need to be and when. Perhaps the pairing efficiency will begin to improve with time.

If efficiency is measured as the amount of work we do for the least pay, efficiency has been improving for decades!

 

[jcw]

DUI is responsible for everything. Don't let him divide employees so easily!

This statement basically says I'm completely not living in relality - there is no way the payroll systems can be merged on Dec 9th and they work differently. By saying this is some evil plot by Doug is so over the top it's not evn funny. You should work someplace else since Doug is sitting in his office trying to figure out how to personally screw you.