E.O./S&S and prefunding match

Retirement Medical has not been ruled upon as of yet fellas.. The judge can rule either way contingent upon the argument and case made by 1114 attorneys.


‹December 10, 2012

As you may recall, on July 6, 2012. AMR filed a complaint asking the bankruptcy court to declare that none of AMR’s current retirees (both union or non-union) have a vested right to retiree medical benefits. AMR asserts that under ERISA, the health and welfare benefits the debtors provide to current retirees (including TWU retirees) are welfare benefits and that these welfare benefits only vest where the debtors as the plan sponsor (1) promises to provide benefits for life and (2) do not reserve the right to modify or terminate those benefits. In order to vest benefits, AMR asserts that the benefit plans must provide in a specific written pledge to continue benefits for the remainder of the participants' lives. The debtors argue that statements merely describing the benefits to be provided and the current cost structure of the plan do not create a vested right to benefits. Therefore, AMR hopes the bankruptcy court will enter an order declaring that (1) the retiree health and welfare benefits the Debtors currently provide to union retirees, the pilot retirees, the TWU retirees, flight attendant retirees may be unilaterally modified by the debtors without an 1114 process.

On August 15, 2012, the debtors filed a motion for partial summary judgment arguing that the retirees do not have a vested right to any retiree benefits.

On December 10, 2012, the court entered a stipulated order adjusting the schedule to confirm that that AMR, the section 1114 committee of retired employees (the “Retiree Committee”), and the official committee of unsecured creditors (the “Committee”) agreed to the following schedule as to the filing and hearing of AMR's partial summary judgment motion: (1) discovery ends on November 19, 2012; (2) the Retiree Committee must file its response to the summary judgment motion on November 19, 2012; (3) Replies, if any to the Retiree Committee's response must be filed on or before January 2, 2013 and the Committee shall file and serve its reply, if any, on January 2, 2013; (4) the Retiree Committee shall file its sur-reply on January 15, 2012; and (5) oral argument on the motion for partial summary judgment will be held on January 23, 2013 at 2:00 PM Eastern.

Lowenstein Sandler PC
Sharon L. Levine
Paul Kizel
S. Jason Teele
 
Just a heads up..

Got home, checked the mail, and the checks (2) are here.
Out of curiosity Jager, was the tax taken out of the interest check?
I guess it doesn't matter though, according to informer, it's just "chump change" :rolleyes:
 
One of the checks indicate "non taxable event", the other indicates "taxable as ordinary income".. No taxes were taken out, but I would assume a 1099 will follow after the first of the year..
 
Lay off the birdseed Birdman, your talking thru your a--.
I'm with bird,Thats each employees money.I dont recall
them saying its in a pot.Its a seperate account matching your contributions.
I want my Fxxxing money! Its the companys responcibility to pay existing
retires medical not ours.
 
One of the checks indicate "non taxable event", the other indicates "taxable as ordinary income".. No taxes were taken out, but I would assume a 1099 will follow after the first of the year..
Thanks!!
 
I'm with bird,Thats each employees money.I dont recall
them saying its in a pot.Its a seperate account matching your contributions.
I want my Fxxxing money! Its the companys responcibility to pay existing
retires medical not ours.

You AMFA clowns are the only ones suggesting your company match can be taken from you.
 
If it's such a sure thing why would the compAAny not include the match with the "check in the mail"?

If you're an active employee, let us know when you get the company match so we all know you're legitimate.

Bob Owens: why don't you do the same, and prove to us you were wrong in your earlier posts implying the TWU was stealing your company match to provide coverage for retirees.
 
If you're an active employee, let us know when you get the company match so we all know you're legitimate.

Bob Owens: why don't you do the same, and prove to us you were wrong in your earlier posts implying the TWU was stealing your company match to provide coverage for retirees.
Company match has not been decided yet. What the heck are you rambling about this time? You sipping on the cooking sherry again?
 
I noticed something peculiar when I analyze the checks.. And I might be jumping to an invalid conclusion...

The check marked "Taxable As Income" was approximately 38% larger than the check marked "Non Taxable".. I serious doubt interest and dividends would have that much of incredible return.. "Non Taxable" , as I see it, would indicate that it was my contribution due to the fact that it has already been taxed..

My only explanation for the "Taxable As Income" bearing that amount would be.. #1 It is the sum of company match (taxable) and Interest and dividend (taxable).. or #2. These guys are awesome investors and I would like to contract them to manage my investments..

As a reminder Ladies.. This is an informational thread.. Take your frolicking to another effin thread..
 
I noticed something peculiar when I analyze the checks.. And I might be jumping to an invalid conclusion...

The check marked "Taxable As Income" was approximately 38% larger than the check marked "Non Taxable".. I serious doubt interest and dividends would have that much of incredible return.. "Non Taxable" , as I see it, would indicate that it was my contribution due to the fact that it has already been taxed..

My only explanation for the "Taxable As Income" bearing that amount would be.. #1 It is the sum of company match (taxable) and Interest and dividend (taxable).. or #2. These guys are awesome investors and I would like to contract them to manage my investments..

As a reminder Ladies.. This is an informational thread.. Take your frolicking to another effin thread..
The company match IS NOT part of the two checks you received. I ask JP Morgan on a couple of ocassions, the latest being last week that exact question and was told it was MY prefunding and earnings (interest - investment) only. The match is in a completely different fund/trust. Again, the match refund will be determined during the 1114 hearing. While Bob and others do not know for sure whether the company will legally "steal" it. Realityck cannot guarantee you that you will get it back.
 

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