DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[WorldTraveler]

every carrier puts the right-sized aircraft on a route and if it is "too small" for passenger comfort but the economics work, then that is the aircraft that is used.

I get that.

But it doesn't change that DL has made the decision that no 50 seat RJs will be used on flights above 750 miles (I believe, maybe it is a hard time limit) and I believe ATL-DAL is one of if not the only exceptions.

Some flights like LAX-XNA might be the exception but there are thousands of RJ to RJ connections that are made and many passengers are no longer willing to fly carriers where they have to make RJ to RJ connections vs. flying on large RJs or mainline aircraft.

Ultimately, the consumer votes with his pocketbook. That is the way the free enterprise system works - and the way it should.

Companies that make the decision to provide what consumers want - and remove what they don't want - win in the marketplace.

 

[WorldTraveler]

looks like DL's intent to establish itself on the west coast is resulting in other carriers deciding it isn't worth trying to flood the market with extra capacity that would harm everyone involved.

On the most recent schedule updates before they hit the GDSs- which the other site reports on a weekly basis - AS is pulling down capacity on SEA-LAX/SFO/LAS/SAN while UA is pulling out of ANC-SEA.

These moves by other carriers show that they have blinked first, it will be a lot easier for DL to increase its presence from SEA, and DL's share of the SEA market will go up based on reduced frequencies by other carriers.

 

[Kev3188]

On the most recent schedule updates before they hit the GDSs- which the other site reports on a weekly basis - AS is pulling down capacity on SEA-LAX/SFO/LAS/SAN while UA is pulling out of ANC-SEA.

Which site is that?

Do you have a link?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the .net site
Most recent OAG schedule thread

 

[700UW]

Here you go Kevin:
 
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6009570/
 
And thats the site that WT got banned from, lol!
 
And UA got the latest HND slot from SFO.

 

[Kev3188]

Thank you sir.
 
Have to say I'm surprised that UA is dropping SEAANC. I know I shouldn't be, but still...

 

[737823]

And thats the site that WT got banned from, lol!

Unnecessary.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

why would you be surprised?

UA has dropped NRT and a number of other destinations from SEA.... remember that UA WAS the big legacy carrier dog in SEA and the reason why AS has grown as much as they did is because UA walked away from the Market.

glad to know that it is permissible to post a.net links on here... IIRC, they have been pulled from this site in the past.

I'll file this for future reference.

 

[700UW]

As is your post, when you by the board or become a moderator then you can make and enforce the TOS.

Your stalking again.

 

[WorldTraveler]

except that you can't stand when anyone challenges you and have made posts telling others they are off topic.... so it is ok for you to be God but no one else can speak?

for the umpteen millionth time it is "you're"

since you have so much time on your hand, how about you go back and take some jr. high school English classes.

 

[Kev3188]

why would you be surprised?

'Cause it's been around forever?

'Cause it's one of those quirky P2P (for UA) routes I happen to have an affinity for?

Didja miss the part where I noted I shouldn't be?

 

[Kev3188]

except that you can't stand when anyone challenges you and have made posts telling others they are off topic.... so it is ok for you to be God but no one else can speak?

for the umpteen millionth time it is "you're"

since you have so much time on your hand, how about you go back and take some jr. high school English classes.

Don't be a dick. It's beneath you.

 

[eolesen]

Unnecessary.

Apparently, it was quite necessary that he was banned from that site...


IIRC, SEA-ANC was a holdover from the Shuttle by United era, and they've been a distant performer for ages on the route.

The actual pulldowns don't look that alarming. When you're running 8+ frequencies in a market, you're still carrying the lions share of the business traffic, and it's pretty clear that DL wants to pick up the overhead traffic that they were contributing.

 

[WorldTraveler]

'Cause it's been around forever?

'Cause it's one of those quirky P2P (for UA) routes I happen to have an affinity for?

Didja miss the part where I noted I shouldn't be?

yes, I certainly did notice it.... you didn't say why it mattered to you until now... which is why my question arose which was hardly inflammatory.

As for 700's gramar, for someone who makes a career out of finding fault with what everyone else does, he should learn to keep his nose spotlessly clean. His inappropriate use of your and yoú're has been repeatedly pointed out to him.

For someone with 20K plus posts on this board and claims to have been in union leadership including claims to being a part of writing contracts, it isn't too much to ask someone with his claimed credentials to use proper grammar.

As for SEA-ANC on UA, if it was a holdover route and didn't have strategic value and likely wasn't very profitable if any at all, then it should have been cancelled a long time ago. UA is now having to make cuts that others lambasted DL for making and yet which have helped contributed to DL's very Strong financial performance in recent years.

And AS' frequency pulldowns do not leave them with significantly more frequencies than DL has added in those markets. AS is using 738s while DL is E175s or CR9s but the large frequency advantage is just not there for AS anymore.

and it doesn't change that despite all the hoopla among some on here about how AS would kick DL's tail, it is AS that is reducing their schedule while DL hasn't blinked and is building the SEA hub that I said they would build with or without AS.

If you really want to know why I was banned from a.net, you need only look at a post on the AA fórum on which one of the AA fanboys from that site came over here and threatened to have me banned because I was posting too much information about AA's strategic failures, despite the fact that it is all available to the public thru the DOT.
I was exonerated when AA's creditors dissed AA's legacy mgmt team and put Doug Parker and his team in charge with legacy AA sênior leaders in very few key strategic positions at the new AA.

I spoke what needed to be said despite the fact that it ruffled feathers. I am just glad that one of the AA fanboys came over here to threaten me so we now have a public record of what really drove my removal from a.net.
If there is any doubt about the post I am referncing, I can certainly post it.

 

[eolesen]

As a moderator on several other sites, people rarely (if ever) get banned over a single post or thread... It's usually a result of a repeated pattern of inappropriate behavior (the definition of which varies greatly based on the site's owner).

I only know of two people who've been outright banned from this forum; both were allowed to return after some extended time off in the cornfieldand an appeal to the owner.