Did SWA Employee violates TSA regs on TV?

[Flying Photog]

Mags, you don't need to rest your case, you need to DROP it. Your story is full of holes in the form of:

"if what I saw was correct"
I did not watch the entire show"
"she appeared to be"
"I think"

First of all, you were in a pub which should raise a red flag right there. You're admitting you don't know exactly what you saw. The person may have been a traveling companion in which case it's OK. The TSA only said not to carry items from a person unknown to you.

 

[BoeingBoy]

However, I also thought it is (was?) unlawful to ask somebody to carry something for you through a security check point at the airport?

I'll tell you exactly what will happen, assuming you honestly say that

- you didn't pack your own carryon (or checked bag for that matter), or

- it was not in your possession at all times, or

- someone gave you something to carry through security (or put in your checked bag).

They will insist on a very thorough inspection of the contents of your bags in your presence - not just the normal pass through the scanner. If no prohibited items are found, you will go on your way - with your carryon - after passing thru the security checkpoint (or your checked bag will go on it's way).

It's like all the announcements saying "Don't drink and drive" - a good idea certainly. However, the law only prohibits driving with over a specific BAC. The law says nothing about driving with a BAC of less than the legal limit. So if you only drink enough to register a .01 or .02 on the alcohol test, and violate no other laws, you can drive to your hearts content without breaking the DUI/DWI laws.

Unless you're magsau, of course, since just the announcement on TV is enough to convince him that driving after drinking any amount must be illegal.....

So to sum up, there is no prohibition against carrying something thru securtiy for someone else (or in your checked baggage either). If a stranger asks you to do that, it's not a good idea because you're responsible for what you send thru security. But since carrying wine thru security was perfectly legal at that point in time, there is nothing illegal about doing it. Just some extra hassle.

Jim

 

[Rhino]

Jim, you keep trying to teach a pig to sing. It will only frustrate you and annoy said pig.

 

[KCFlyer]

Mags may be quiet for a while. Especially after one of those Cowboy United pilots had yet ANOTHER taxi incident. Do I detect a trend? I thought UAL pilots learned from past mistakes.

 

[BoeingBoy]

and annoy said pig.

It's the little pleasures that make life worth living......

Jim

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

So to sum up, there is no prohibition against carrying something thru securtiy for someone else (or in your checked baggage either). If a stranger asks you to do that, it's not a good idea because you're responsible for what you send thru security. But since carrying wine thru security was perfectly legal at that point in time, there is nothing illegal about doing it. Just some extra hassle.

Jim

OK - thanks, I understand.

 

[magsau]

Especially after one of those Cowboy United pilots had yet ANOTHER taxi incident. Do I detect a trend? I thought UAL pilots learned from past mistakes.

Reminds me of the SWA airplane that taxiied onto the runway in ONT a few years ago and the UAL airplane had to RTO in the fog.

They were probably forced off the taxiway by a SWA pilot taxiing at MMO.

 

[KCFlyer]

Reminds me of the SWA airplane that taxiied onto the runway in ONT a few years ago and the UAL airplane had to RTO in the fog.

They were probably forced off the taxiway by a SWA pilot taxiing at MMO.

Here's one back at ya mags...

The local controller in the tower instructed United Airlines Flight 1429, an Airbus 320, to taxi into position and hold on runway 31C. The same controller then told a taxiing aircraft to hold short of 31C before clearing an Exec Jet for takeoff off on Runway 22L. Moments later, the controller made contact with Southwest Airlines Flight 1486, a Boeing 737, telling the pilot to taxi into position and hold on 22L. Southwest 1486 was tightly sandwiched between the departing Exec Jet and another Southwest flight on final approach to 22L.

With United 1429 still holding on 31C, the local controller gave Southwest 1486 its clearance for an immediate takeoff from 22L. The Southwest 1486 pilot acknowledged his takeoff clearance. Then, just as the local controller moved on to issue a landing clearance to another aircraft, Kevin Rojek, who was working the ground control position, alertly noticed that the pilot of United 1429 – after apparently believing the takeoff clearance given to Southwest 1486 was meant for him – had begun his takeoff roll. Both jets were rolling down crossing runways and on a collision course to meet at the intersection.

But upon hearing Rojek say “rolling,â€￾ the local controller turned to see the aircraft and immediately got on the radio. With his voice rising, he sternly said, “United stop! United stop!â€￾ United 1429 stopped approximately 1,000 feet short of Runway 22L. After Southwest 1486 rolled through the intersection and took off, United 1429 crossed 22L, taxied back around the tarmac as his brakes cooled and eventually made its way back to Runway 31C for departure.

There's some great audio of it. I'm sure the pucker factor was high in the cockpit of the UAL jet, but as you know, any soiling of trousers smells like a spring rain in a UAL cockpit.

 

[lowfareair]

Here's one back at ya mags...

There's some great audio of it. I'm sure the pucker factor was high in the cockpit of the UAL jet, but as you know, any soiling of trousers smells like a spring rain in a UAL cockpit.

You have it wrong. That was mags who 'accidentally' started going forward when he realized he had a chance to make southwest have an accident.

 

[Busdrvr]

After his and Busboy's comments regarding JB pilots a few years back, I give them all the respect they deserve...they are Kelvins. Absolute zeros.

At least Busboy knows when a post is tongue-in-cheek and understands the underlying economics of this business. He's trainable.

I AM NOT trainable. I resent that remark!!

Do you really want to go down that Jet Blu road? What did I say that was "wrong". Was it when I said ADD Dave was all hype? Was it when I said things would start to suck there and that growth would stop? Was it when I said they would be used by other airlines to justify lower salaries? Was it when I said that the employees were no better and worked no harder than other airline employees and that the shine would rub off to expose an airline with the same problems as the rest of us?

Of course I also said SWA would have been in the red without it's "investment income", I guess I was a "Kelvin" then to. Does that make your CEO a Kelvin since he later said the same thing?

Mags, lay off BoeingBoy. He's one of the "good guys". I don't remember his ever asking for anything in either merger that wasn't fair. He's the "anti-USA320"

 

[Hawkhunter]

Reminds me of the SWA airplane that taxiied onto the runway in ONT a few years ago and the UAL airplane had to RTO in the fog.

They were probably forced off the taxiway by a SWA pilot taxiing at MMO.

How about the UAL that got lost and ended up on a active runway in PVD. AAA was cleared for T/O but refused. Good thing eh? Dont cast stones pal.


Mags, lay off BoeingBoy. He's one of the "good guys". I don't remember his ever asking for anything in either merger that wasn't fair. He's the "anti-USA320"
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Easy to say, since he is retired.

 

[Busdrvr]

Mags, lay off BoeingBoy. He's one of the "good guys". I don't remember his ever asking for anything in either merger that wasn't fair. He's the "anti-USA320"
Easy to say, since he is retired.

Which I guess means he can be objective...

He was a "good guy" even before he retired.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Which I guess means he can be objective...

He was a "good guy" even before he retired.

Never said he wasnt

 

[BoeingBoy]

How about the UAL that got lost and ended up on a active runway in PVD.

The NTSB animation with the ATC tapes became a staple in recurrent.....

NTSB Animation - scroll down to "PVD Animation".

Jim

 

[magsau]

The NTSB animation with the ATC tapes became a staple in recurrent.....

NTSB Animation - scroll down to "PVD Animation".

Jim

Jim,

I suppose with all those US issues over the years you are good at getting this info. What was the joke about the cheatline being a waterline on the US jets?

At any rate, can you find the tapes from the SWA jet that taxied onto the runway at ONT during the UAL t/o. While you are at it you can produce some of the various US ones too. Trim, Radar W/S, De-ice,???