Did SWA Employee violates TSA regs on TV?

[wnbubbleboy]

To get on a flight legitimately, liquor must be packed in checked luggage


http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/msg40375.html

 

[magsau]

Nope - all I'm asking for is a TSA regulation citation. Surely if this was a violation of a TSA regulation, there is such a regulation.....unless announcements now carry the weight of a regulation.

Jim

Why don't you ring up the TSA and ask them if you can bring a bag that someone ask you to bring through security that is not yours? Tell them you don't know what is in it, just that you thought you would help get it on the other side of security? I am sure they will be able to find the regulation for you. It might be under common sense but I bet they can find it for you.

Of course there are those signs that are posted at the checkpoints also that discuss this issue. But of course you would not have to heed a sign. I mean if someone did not tell you personally that something is verboten....Oh wait you don't adhere to the spoken word, I would also sense that you would not find complying with the written word acceptable either...... What to do?

Hey perhaps you and your fellow Mohawk, Allegheny, Empire pilots should not have been so big on career expectations in the mergers that favored you. How many times did you guys say DOH in the UAL ICT/UCT? I still remember some trash talk being hurled our way on 123.45 by a US crew over the Atlantic during that time. My relative that was an EAL pilot is smiling today at the results of your fellow US pilots plight. Karma.

 

[JS]

It's a good thing you're not a lawyer, mags. Generally speaking, and definitely in court, if you allege that something is "against the law" (or regulation, same thing), you have to actually make the citation yourself. Sitting on your butt saying "Why don't you do it" doesn't go anywhere.

 

[magsau]

It's a good thing you're not a lawyer, mags. Generally speaking, and definitely in court, if you allege that something is "against the law" (or regulation, same thing), you have to actually make the citation yourself. Sitting on your butt saying "Why don't you do it" doesn't go anywhere.

Really, I suggest you make the same call as BB. Of course you guys have really never flown an airplane big enough to be considered a threat. So I can see how you take security lightly. Just like all the other SOP's that SWA chooses to ignore.

If you believe the law to be wrong then prove me WRONG or just go on in your land of accepting compromises to safety and security .

 

[KCFlyer]

It's a good thing you're not a lawyer, mags. Generally speaking, and definitely in court, if you allege that something is "against the law" (or regulation, same thing), you have to actually make the citation yourself. Sitting on your butt saying "Why don't you do it" doesn't go anywhere.

Uh JS...he just said "mines bigger".

 

[Hawkhunter]

Really, I suggest you make the same call as BB. Of course you guys have really never flown an airplane big enough to be considered a threat. So I can see how you take security lightly. Just like all the other SOP's that SWA chooses to ignore.

If you believe the law to be wrong then prove me WRONG or just go on in your land of accepting compromises to safety and security .

Are you always a a$$ or just full of yourself sometimes?

 

[mrman]

Really, I suggest you make the same call as BB. Of course you guys have really never flown an airplane big enough to be considered a threat. So I can see how you take security lightly. Just like all the other SOP's that SWA chooses to ignore.

If you believe the law to be wrong then prove me WRONG or just go on in your land of accepting compromises to safety and security .

Makes one wonder if UA is ignoring some pilot mental health SOP's

 

[mga707]

Makes one wonder if UA is ignoring some pilot mental health SOP's

That's why I call him "Captain Batootie". Sure seems to fit!

(for those who don't remember, Batootie was the Egyptair captain's name who apparently intentionally crashed his 767 into the Atlantic seven or eight years ago)

 

[Rhino]

Magasu is a pretty funny guy. He's not especially bright and on these chat boards he thinks he can hide his intellect and manners behind a call sign. More evidence of his lack of class.

After his and Busboy's comments regarding JB pilots a few years back, I give them all the respect they deserve...they are Kelvins. Absolute zeros.

At least Busboy knows when a post is tongue-in-cheek and understands the underlying economics of this business. He's trainable.

Mags OTOH thinks the TSA has its act together and their rules (which he has proven his ignorance of) should be inviolate.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You have plenty of time on your hands. Help yourself.

I'll take that as an admission you couldn't find any such regulation.

Unless you are one of the US pilots trying to over turn age 60.

What that has to do with TSA regs is a mystery to me, but since you sorta asked the answer is that I'm not. I'm opposed, in fact, for one simple reason - fairness.

Are you implying announcements are not enforceable?

I'm only asking you to back up your statement that a SW employee violated a TSA reg on television, something you apparently can't do despite claiming to be "knowledgeable" on such things, so you bluster instead of admitting your mistake.

No wonder your F/O's never listened to you!

Ah, another claim without factual basis from the all knowing magsau?

Glad you have no fear of terrorism in the rocking chair.

Are you now claiming that this SW employee not only violated some TSA reg that you can't find and is a terrorist to boot?

Jim

 

[boxer]

Well, I really hope Mags never changes. He makes these boards fun reading for me and I suspect many other lurkers and participants. Sure beats scab bashing and schedule changes.

 

[magsau]

I'll take that as an admission you couldn't find any such regulation.

Perhaps you are deaf and are unable to listen to the PA announcements regarding carry'ons or you just prefer a less safe environment.

Are you now claiming that this SW employee not only violated some TSA reg that you can't find and is a terrorist to boot?

What the SWA employee did was ask someone to carry an item (wine) through the security checkpoint. In the quick pass of the TSA website all references are to "YOUR" carryon items. If the SWA employee did not transfer ownership to the other person then I do believe that a violation occurred. The fact that you people see no problem with muling items through security is absolutely amazing.

TSA and YOUR carryon

 

[KCFlyer]

Jim, in other words, mags just spent two paragraphs trying to define what the word "is" is. Or in this case "your". Because he could not actually FIND anything to point you to that expressly indicated that what he saw in a two year old television program was a violation.

If we want to get technical, I have violated TSA's because I've carried a bag on that was packed by my then wife and not me, and they explicitly say in the announcements that you shouldn't take any bags that you did not pack yourself.

 

[lowfareair]

Jim, in other words, mags just spent two paragraphs trying to define what the word "is" is. Or in this case "your". Because he could not actually FIND anything to point you to that expressly indicated that what he saw in a two year old television program was a violation.

If we want to get technical, I have violated TSA's because I've carried a bag on that was packed by my then wife and not me, and they explicitly say in the announcements that you shouldn't take any bags that you did not pack yourself.

Mags still 'isn't sure' about it, and it took him a fricken week to post it. Knowing him, he would have seen that, excused himself from the party, raced home, "shook hands with the sheriff" to the thought of Southwest doing wrong, then posted it. I cry foul.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I have not seen the TV show episode so I can't comment accurately on what happened.

However, I also thought it is (was?) unlawful to ask somebody to carry something for you through a security check point at the airport?