Delta exits LAX-LHR

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

OK, let's play your game:
If DL is a winner in the LAX-LHR market, then by those same rules & metrics, AA is the champion of NY-Tokyo.
 
 
Spin away!

 

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say winner or champion in either case.

Another one of your famous attempts at distorting what was said.

DL competes in the LAX-LHR nonstop market at least part-time via a JV just as AA does from NYC to Japan.

JVs are acceptable means to increase an airline's network although they do not allow crew member employees of the non-operating carrier to directly benefit since they do not operate the flight.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Are you sure?
I could have swore you gave us several sermons on here about how some carriers are losers if they rely on a JV partner to serve a given market.
 
 
But please, do continue to spin away!

 

[WorldTraveler]

what I said is above.

JVs are viable mechanics to increase an airline's presence.

and JVs require market strength on each side.

that is why AA's presence to Australia is significant for employees and for branding. Unlike LHR for DL, AA had no presence in Australia on its own metal while DL has other gateways and may return to LAX in the future.

just admit that this is nothing more than swapping JV partners which happens often and which AA has relied on frequently in other markets.

 

[MAH4546]

There's nothing wrong with swapping JV partners, but only when the swap is with Delta.
 
When the swap is with AA (AA's JFKTYO flight became a second JFKNRT JAL flight), then everything is a failure.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I never said it was a failure.

I have ACCURATELY noted that even on a combined basis AA and JL have less capacity to/from the US than they did before the JV including to/from NYC.

DL's capacity standalone and with VS is far greater to LHR than it was even 5 years ago.

so, no, AA is not a failure in the Japan market but it has cut its presence to match economic realities and is no better off because of the JV while the LHR market has grown as has DL's share of it.

How about you and your little bud commavia accept that Japan is a challenge to everyone and DL has adapted as well as if not better than other carriers while LHR is a healthy market in which DL is far larger than it was not that long ago?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Had AA purchased PA's Pacific routes or merged with NW, they would have a very healthy presence in Japan too.
Perhaps you and your little bud spectator can accept that?

 

[WorldTraveler]

if the World Trade Centers had not fallen, the world would look very different.

but that didn't happen.

Every competitor can be expected to do the best they can in the marketplace.


AA did buy Eastern's Latin America network and built it up. Latin America like Asia has ups and downs and each carrier has strengths that come in part from their respective purchases.

NW was an outstanding merger and will likely remain as the capstone for what DL is today.

But NW's Asia network just like what AA acquired from EA cannot remain static but must grow and adapt to the changing marketplace.

The same is no less true with LHR and VS has a partner that can help DL adapt and succeed in a market with each partner building on the strength in their home markets.

 

[jcw]

glad you can admit that Asia like LATAM has its up and downs - therefore it sounds like you can stop bashing AA for its LATAM presence

 

[MAH4546]

Delta's performed splendidly on LAX-LHR, EWR-LHR and MIA-LHR. Discontinuing these routes is probably because Delta did so well, it just couldn't handle all the profits. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

You can't admit that it is ok for DL to have a JV to LHR and a half dozen more flights than AA has to NRT also with a JV can you?

 

[MAH4546]

You can't admit that it is ok for DL to have a JV to LHR and a half dozen more flights than AA has to NRT also with a JV can you?

 
We are discussing the Delta' brand's absolute failure between Los Angeles and London, not Tokyo. 
 
The gems you posted about why it was so important for Delta to be in this market with it's own metal and how it was such a threat to AA. And now suddenly all you have to say is "wait and see?" Ha. 
 
But sure, let's talk Tokyo.
 
How long until Delta applies with DOT to transfer LAXHND to SEAHND in order to keep it's Haneda service at least somewhat viable? 

 

[WorldTraveler]

We've listened to you and commavia drone on for years about Tokyo and yet DL has a far larger operation at Tokyo plus an operation at LHR 3X larger than AA's at Tokyo. You can't admit that your double standard shows your futile arguments. DL carries more revenue on LAX to HND on a 767 than AA carries on every one of its routes to Asia from LAX and ORD. You can't stand that DL has pushed it's way successfully into AA's top markets including LHR and NYC but AA hasn't been able to do the same in DL's top markets.

When you figure out why that is true, you will know why you have repeatedly been wrong about these competitive incursions

 

[jcw]

Well the good news is the DL Hun at NRT is falling apart and they lost in the LAX to LHR scrimmage - so over all DL has been running losing plays

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is proportionately more of DL's NRT operation than there is of other cAArrier's

and again, for all of the hype about DL cutting LAX-LHR even for now, DL has multiples more seats to LHR than AA has to NRT. and DL has more than half the seats on its own metal to LHR that AA has - even though AA had a decade or more head start in serving LHR.