Defend Recall Rights, Defend Our Careers

[Nor'Easta]

Trust me I wish they would recall. LGA is so short that they have been sending trips out of base. We're 8 days into the current contractual month and the trips are still going out of base.

The first day of the September contractual month, they only had 27 reserves in base.

I just finished a 2 day and our #4 was from ORD for the first 2 days, except the last leg. Our leg home we had a DFW f/a. This just goes to show AA...

WE ARE SHORT!

 

[Flyboy4u]

WE ARE SHORT![/size]

Not according to AA....If we are soo damn short here in NY then why offer leaves? Hmmmm....AA/AAPFA...needs a REALITY check!

 

[jimntx]

DCA, LGA, BOS, STL are all short. MIA, ORD, DFW, LAX are all overstaffed.

Unfortunately the formula is...

Flying assigned to the base (MIA, ORD, DFW, LAX) vs. Base Roster = Overstaffed.

Flying assigned to the base vs. # of f/as willing to get on airplanes that have passengers on them = Understaffed.

Now, you can all start the whiny mantra that "they have earned the right not to fly." Not working while drawing benefits is called retirement.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

I understand that as of 0830 today that there is a healthy group of ex-TW folk at APFA HDQ picketing and thus far have been extremely professional and have managed to gain the attention of all 4 National officers as they have cleared their schedules and talking with anyone who wishes to talk. APFA met with AMR yesterday to again approach the recall topic.-It would be great in my opinion if some of the furloughees could go to AMR HDQ and meet with THB and Arpey in person.A guesture like that remains to be seen. In any event I've got to give these professional men and women a lot of credit and hope some much needed dialog with APFA can begin from these efforts.

 

[nbmcg01]

I understand that as of 0830 today that there is a healthy group of ex-TW folk at APFA HDQ picketing and thus far have been extremely professional and have managed to gain the attention of all 4 National officers as they have cleared their schedules and talking with anyone who wishes to talk. APFA met with AMR yesterday to again approach the recall topic.-It would be great in my opinion if some of the furloughees could go to AMR HDQ and meet with THB and Arpey in person.A guesture like that remains to be seen. In any event I've got to give these professional men and women a lot of credit and hope some much needed dialog with APFA can begin from these efforts.

The APFA is the representing "spokesperson" for ALL of those furloughed. To picket AA would not only be inappropriate but could potentially put those persons in job jeopardy. (since there is press involved) I am glad to hear, (although not surprised) that those picketing have been very professional. Being strong unionist and professional, seasoned flight attendants is not an oxymoron. It all will come down to the APFA convincing AA that by placing the blame on the events of 9-11, and taking Federal funds to offset some of the financial losses, they have a morale responsibility to return any and all wishing to return to their profession, regardless of the contract or the potential to replace @ lower cost. The displaced workers are also a casualty of that terrible day and special dispensation should be offered and recalls should be extended. It is the honorable and dare I say the American thing to do....Regards.

 

[TWAnr]

From the Associated Press:

Former TWA Workers Picket Own Union

 

[eolesen]

taking Federal funds to offset some of the financial losses

Why you would think that any of that money was intended to preserve jobs??? If anything, it was intended to keep interstate commerce moving, even though its stated purpose was to partly reimburse airlines for the federally mandated shutdown of air service.

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='413342' date='Sep 7 2006, 11:34 PM']This just goes to show AA...

WE ARE SHORT![/quote]

Management doesn't care, haven't you realized that yet?

They don't.Despite all the happy horseshit about "Pulling Together", they do not give a damn.

 

[TWAnr]

Isn't he just precious?

TWA Picketing at APFA today...

I can't say that I blame the TWA folks for trying to fight for what they believe are rights they are entitled to.

I'm not saying I agree with them or believe that they are entitled to their FORMER seniority however...because I'm not and I don't.

We now have "official" word from AMR Company spokesman Tim Smith, that American WILL consider such a change when negotiating a new contract in 2008. (In other words they want big bucks in exchange)

This should put EVERY flight attendant on notice. We absolutely MUST MUST MUST get a new Administration and Negotiating Team in place that will protect our nAAtive seniority at all costs.

This news article IN PRINT for evidence should show every single flight attendant that the Company IS WILLING to negotiate this item if given something of equal monetary value in exchange. WE SIMPLY CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN PERIOD. We must get the "trade unionists" out of office at APFA. They believe that former employees of a defunct airline are entitled to YOUR and MY seniority at THIS company. That is a philosophical difference for which their can be no compromise on.

Remember, just because a Court ruled in our favor regardingthe seniority lawsuit...doesn't mean this issue is over and dead. It isn't over until the very last TWA furloughee recall rights expire in July 2008.

This isn't a scare tactic...just stating the facts folks.

JN
IDF

 

[nbmcg01]

Isn't he just precious?

Sadly, JN doesn't understand that this action had NOTHING to do with seniority but only with recall. The seniority issue is settled and folks just want the opportunity to finish their careers. Many have lost their hope for having anything to show for decades of work. I'm not certain what Mr. N is so frightened by at the thought of possibly having to fly with another AA f/a (not of HIS personal choosing). That is unlikely given the fact that very few of the former TWA f/as will ever see Intn., even if a recall was announced tomorrow. He is like chicken little, crowing the same message of gloom and doom at any opportunity. Stir the pot all you want Jay, there is nothing of substance in it, and your audience is dwindling.

 

[MCI transplant]

From the Associated Press:

Former TWA Workers Picket Own Union

<_< ------ Were there any of the 1,000 nAAtive furloughed F/A's there also???? No!--- Why????

 

[Flyboy4u]

<_< ------ Were there any of the 1,000 nAAtive furloughed F/A's there also???? No!--- Why????

We were too busy being reassigned here in NY to get out with our signs...Had I had the chance, you bet I would have been there..This is not a Seniority issue anymore, but instead a matter of right vs wrong. I applaud these F/A's and hope AA/APFA can reach an agreement.

 

[nbmcg01]

<_< ------ Were there any of the 1,000 nAAtive furloughed F/A's there also???? No!--- Why????

We sent out messages to the very few whom we had had contact with but remember these are the people furloughed right after 9-11 and we were still separate entities. This march was on behalf of all furloughed AAf/as. We just are a little more organized because of being a smaller group and our f/as were not necessarily new hires. Remember, while the first few were new, the last person furloughed had 49 years of active f/a experience. Those walking did so for those who couldn't be there.

I think more was accomplished during these few hours than in the entire time we have been a part of this Company. Professional discussions pave the way for better understanding. It is one thing to communicate by email and entirely another to have face to face meetings. I'd like to thank the APFA for being willing to open the doors to meaningful dialogue. ABOUT FURLOUGH RECALL.

 

[TWAnr]

He is like chicken little, crowing the same message of gloom and doom at any opportunity. Stir the pot all you want Jay, there is nothing of substance in it, and your audience is dwindling.

He just posted a new and improved version and his chorus is echoing his false prophecy of doom and gloom:

July 8, 2006(Revised post)
TWA Picketing at APFA today...


I can't say that I blame the TWA folks for trying to fight for what they believe are rights they are entitled to.

I'm not saying I agree with them or believe that they are entitled to their FORMER seniority however...because I'm not and I don't.

We now have "official" word from AA Company spokesman Tim Smith, that American WILL consider such a change (or trade) when negotiating a new contract in 2008. (In other words they want big bucks in exchange)

This should put EVERY flight attendant on notice. We absolutely MUST MUST MUST get a new Administration and Negotiating Team in place that will protect our nAAtive seniority at all costs.

This news article quotes an AA spokesman directly as evidence which shows every single flight attendant that the Company IS INDEED WILLING to negotiate this item if given something of equal monetary value in exchange. WE SIMPLY CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN, PERIOD. Our workforce simply cannot "afford" any additional cuts or concessions (pay OR work rule) of any kind.

We must get the "trade unionists" out of office at APFA. They believe that former employees of a defunct airline are entitled to YOUR and MY seniority at THIS company. That is a philosophical difference for which there can be no compromise on.

Remember, just because a Court ruled in our favor regarding the seniority lawsuit...doesn't mean this issue is over and dead. It isn't over until the very last TWA furloughee recall rights expire in July 2008. Only THEN will it be over.

Mike Schewerm, the former 24 year TWA attendant said American doesn't want the TWA workers because by contract they would get top wages, about $ 46/hour, instead of starting pay for new hires of about $ 17/hour.

He is precisely correct, that and the fact that medical insurance premiums for a aged workforce are extremely expensive, something that AMR can ill afford at present. I wish conditions were different and that AMR had trillions of dollars sitting around and that we could employ every single flight attendant that wants the job....but we can't.

This isn't a scare tactic...just stating the facts folks. If you want to protect your seniority...you better stay alert!

JN
IDF


Ah, sh*t, looks like we are going to give back much needed money in exchange for cr*p most of us don't want. It is inevitable. The clowns we work with just keep voting yes to extraneous BS instead of just going for the gusto in the paycheck. I don't really think it matters who is in high office because all of the retreads on the BOD are the ones that count.

I'm all about more money up front instead of hiding it in BS concessionary propaganda.

CG
JFK


OK...... What in the world are our union officials thinking? Stating that they want to give the TWA F/A's more time on the recall rights? I know that the "Fab Four" elected ,were only elected by the TWA folks, but these "Elected Officials" need to be working for the AA F/A's who actually pay dues to fund their paychecks.

We, as AA APFA union members need to send some type of message to the yahoos running our union that we want these types of counter productive assaults on the AA F/A group to stop.

What do you think is the best way to accomplish this? Sending a few thousand letters or perhaps a petition? Weather or not it will make a difference, we need to let Tommie and the rest of our so called Union Leaders know, enough is enough.

Just my thoughts and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. July 2008 can't come quick enough!

Respectively,

PD
DFW


Ok here is a topic to chew me up about. I started With AA in 1989 as an Agent. In 97 I went to flight service. As an AMERICAN AIRLINES company transfer we had to sign a letter of resignation to passenger service and were told if we didnt pass Flight training we would NOT automatically get our jobs back. TWA F/A s didnt have that threat. As a company transfer we had to pay for our uniforms AGAIN after having already forked out previously, TWA didnt. As company transfers we went to the bottom of the pay scale we accepted that- TWA didnt have to. As company transfers we went to the bottom of the bidding the seniority list for bidding TWA got to keep their vacation bidding. AS A LONG TIME EMPLOYEE OF AMERICAN AIRLINES - IF TWA GETS UNLIMITED EVERYTHING THEN ITS ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME MY UNION START LOOKING OUT FOR US LONG TIME COMPANY EMPLOYEES!!!!! EVEN US JUNIOR COMAPNY TRANSFERS. I have been told "You were just an agent they are flight attendants". Since when are flight attendants from ANOTHER company better than those of us with THIS company.

LG
BOS-D (just an agent, junior puke-so I've been told!)


Thank you, PD!
No...it's too difficult to get the required signatures. How about Picketing APFA like the TWA folks did.... EXCEPT when WE do it...we do it EN MASSE (not just 30 people) we need 200 people to show up to picket outside of APFA with placards that say "Protect our nAAtive Seniority!"

We could also make signs up that say "Impeach President Hutto-Blake!" and on the other side it could read "Traitor to her Membership."

JN
IDF


Well said Ms. LG...

I couldn't agree more with you. You had to start at the bottom in ALL respects. Everyone else who works here at AA from Braniff, Eastern, PanAm, and others also had to start-over at the bottom.

But even though you've worked for AA longer than the TWA people have it doesn't matter because THIS Administration feels that "senior" flight attendants at ANY company are more important than "junior" flight attendants at OUR Company.

It's pathetic...and treason as far as I'm concerned.

Contact your Base Chairs IMMEDIATELY and tell them you won't tolerate this sh*t and that you want a Resolution passed IMMEDIATELY prohibiting THB from extending recall rights for TWA furloughees.

We have to tie her hands and put tape over her mouth.

JN
IDF

Can you feel the love?

 

[nbmcg01]

He just posted a new and improved version and his chorus is echoing his false prophecy of doom and gloom:
Can you feel the love?

For the agent transferring to flight service: NO Company or Union gives any seniority for bidding purposes for a change in class or craft. The agent was able to retain all Co seniority for passes and vacation. The fact that the former TWA f/as were given pay seniority had nothing to do with the APFA. AA offered pay seniority and has held it against us from that time on...

Jay Narey has once again stirred the pot with unsubstantiated and misinformed minutia. The recall issue speaks to the fact that other carriers altered their furlough agreements in light of 9-11. This issue has nothing to do with seniority so now it is time for some of you "to get over it". Also, this isn't only about the former TWA f/as. Are you so ready to sacrifice the jobs of the nAAtive f/as who are positioned just above and just below us? Many of you should very carefully consider the fact that as of right now, the furlough cushion is depleted and those of you near the bottom are in a precarious position. If anything, you should be walking side by side with YOUR FELLOW FA'S. I am curious, if the APFA Constitution and By-Laws had required dues to be paid by furloughed f/as, (by the way this is a C&B that YOU ALL voted in), what excuse would you use for your position? None of us feel that ANY concessions should be exchanged for extended recall. Why don't you just relax. We don't want the farm, just a little corner to graze. Jay, please don't try and spin this to mean anything other than a request to see all wishing to return (at the bottom of the AA seniority list) be given that opportunity. Just what is so wrong with that?