Defend Recall Rights, Defend Our Careers

[MCI transplant]

As a VERY REGULAR poster here on this AA board, I'm ashamed of how APFA has treated you TWA folks !!!

At the VERY LEAST, APFA could have told AA that they would FIGHT for lifetime recall rights !!
(It would'nt have $$ cost APFA a DIME) !!

History will prove that I argued STRONGLY for the LLC F/A's to get a "ratio", like the AMT's/Pilots, and FSC's got !1

When the "Final day" comes, WALK TALL TWA F/A's, you are a class group !!!

NH/BB's

<_< -----Thanks for the support Bear! No matter how they try and spin it, it will still be "WRONG!" And what makes it so pathetic is down deep, I believe they know it!!!!

 

[Nor'Easta]

The APFA is aware of the picketing on September 8th. If you step on the property while picketing, don't be shocked if you are removed by the Euless PD!

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----- 'South 'Easta' Is that a threat??? Is that the best you can do? Maybe the News Media should be presant to make sure no one trespasses!

 

[Nor'Easta]

<_< ----- 'South 'Easta' Is that a threat??? Is that the best you can do? Maybe the News Media should be presant to make sure no one trespasses!

As always a former TWA'er trying to spin it. A threat? Geez, you make me laugh . Just stating the facts, because you can't picket on property.

 

[AMFAMAN]

<_< ----- 'South 'Easta' Is that a threat??? Is that the best you can do? Maybe the News Media should be presant to make sure no one trespasses!

Want some media, get hold of dfwpeople, the airport newspaper, they'll come out for sure.

http://www.dfwpeople.com/staff.html

 

[MCI transplant]

[quote name='Nor'Easta' post='413061' date='Sep 7 2006, 01:46 PM']As always a former TWA'er trying to spin it. A threat? Geez, you make me laugh . Just stating the facts, because you can't picket on property.[/quote] <_< -----I think they know that! But I still think that "News Media" idea is a good one!!! Never know when you might need support for a Law Suit!!!!

 

[AMFAMAN]

This almost sounds twu like. They've called the cops before when members started questioning them. The cops said, it's your union, your building, we're out of it.

For the APFA to have the police present for anything other to ensure no fights break out would be quite cowardly on their part, afterall the picketers are or were members of the union at one time and have a right to protest their leadership.

 

[nbmcg01]

This almost sounds twu like. They've called the cops before when members started questioning them. The cops said, it's your union, your building, we're out of it.

For the APFA to have the police present for anything other to ensure no fights break out would be quite cowardly on their part, afterall the picketers are or were members of the union at one time and have a right to protest their leadership.

They are still members of the union. Voting members. And they are trying to remain members. All that is being asked is for the APFA to negotiate in good faith and recognize that it is their fiduciary responsibility to protect the jobs of the members AT ALL COST. This is the primary function of a union. Secondary is negotiating improvements and or maintaining prior gains. Of course the APFA is aware that there will be picketing. Several of the major labor unions have called upon the APFA leadership to do the right thing. If the continuing layoffs are a true result of 9-11, then the Company needs to make concessions to the serious nature of the events of that day. They were well compensated for financial losses. ALL other major carriers have managed to grow and recall and even hire. Strange how AA is the only one in downsize mode. Of course the free flow to AE without consequences doesn't help. They have been able to acquire $50 an hour f/as for $17 an hour and that seem to be the "measure of the man".

 

[AC AA LA FA]

They are still members of the union. Voting members. And they are trying to remain members. All that is being asked is for the APFA to negotiate in good faith and recognize that it is their fiduciary responsibility to protect the jobs of the members AT ALL COST. This is the primary function of a union. Secondary is negotiating improvements and or maintaining prior gains. Of course the APFA is aware that there will be picketing. Several of the major labor unions have called upon the APFA leadership to do the right thing. If the continuing layoffs are a true result of 9-11, then the Company needs to make concessions to the serious nature of the events of that day. They were well compensated for financial losses. ALL other major carriers have managed to grow and recall and even hire. Strange how AA is the only one in downsize mode. Of course the free flow to AE without consequences doesn't help. They have been able to acquire $50 an hour f/as for $17 an hour and that seem to be the "measure of the man".

I really wish it was that simple. There have been attempts to re approach the employer and there have been huge price tags attached that DO NOT protect the best interest of the majority of the members of APFA. It takes two to tango remember-APFA, as much as some might like to think have all but abandon the TWA f/a has tried to create an creative solution to this issue-AAs price tag is to high and entertaining any offers would be derelict in the institutions responsibility. The very vocal minority can not dictate what is best for our, lets say.."disenchanted" majority.
The letters from other labor organizations are attempts to posture and lay the ground work for a possible raid...it wont happen and is a pretty lame attempt to drive a wedge and gain some dues cash and membership headcount.

 

[flymeorion]

Just curious as an outsider looking in, are there any twa flight attendants left or were they all furloughed?

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Just curious as an outsider looking in, are there any twa flight attendants left or were they all furloughed?

They are all on furlough....it sucks and I for one cant wait for the day they start returning.......

 

[jimntx]

Just curious as an outsider looking in, are there any twa flight attendants left or were they all furloughed?

All furloughed. If there is a recall of more than 96 furloughees, we will get to the most senior former TW f/as.

 

[nbmcg01]

I really wish it was that simple. There have been attempts to re approach the employer and there have been huge price tags attached that DO NOT protect the best interest of the majority of the members of APFA. It takes two to tango remember-APFA, as much as some might like to think have all but abandon the TWA f/a has tried to create an creative solution to this issue-AAs price tag is to high and entertaining any offers would be derelict in the institutions responsibility. The very vocal minority can not dictate what is best for our, lets say.."disenchanted" majority.
The letters from other labor organizations are attempts to posture and lay the ground work for a possible raid...it wont happen and is a pretty lame attempt to drive a wedge and gain some dues cash and membership headcount.

What IS simple is the fact that the APFA concessions were terribly undervalued at the time of the RPA. I (and several others) volunteered to price out the CBA based on the value at the time of implementation. At that time I was on furlough, not planning to retire, and had time on my hands and 30 years of union experience. I believe that we could have presented compelling documentation that the concessions were actually close to 650,000,000 instead of the "requested" 340,000,000. In addition, there was never any credit given for the salary and benefits savings for the 6000+ furloughs. From the beginning there has been a tongue in cheek or "wink wink" attempt at addressing the recall issues. The furloughed are being held hostage to the many litigation issues still pending. I would hazard a guess that some movement MIGHT occur IF the lawsuits were dropped. AAs ability to shift to AE without penalties (or credit to AAs unions) is the other reason we won't see recalls. Ethics and integrity are the things that make me go hummmmmm.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

What IS simple is the fact that the APFA concessions were terribly undervalued at the time of the RPA. I (and several others) volunteered to price out the CBA based on the value at the time of implementation. At that time I was on furlough, not planning to retire, and had time on my hands and 30 years of union experience. I believe that we could have presented compelling documentation that the concessions were actually close to 650,000,000 instead of the "requested" 340,000,000. In addition, there was never any credit given for the salary and benefits savings for the 6000+ furloughs. From the beginning there has been a tongue in cheek or "wink wink" attempt at addressing the recall issues. The furloughed are being held hostage to the many litigation issues still pending. I would hazard a guess that some movement MIGHT occur IF the lawsuits were dropped. AAs ability to shift to AE without penalties (or credit to AAs unions) is the other reason we won't see recalls. Ethics and integrity are the things that make me go hummmmmm.

There is substantial damage being inflicted on the coffers, no doubt, mostly by suits brought on by its own members...Who can benefit by fanning the political flames and draining the Union of resources? Nobody. (except a little entity called AA) The RPA was a "cluster" theres NOTHING to be done about it now-I do wish that at the time TW talent and expertise was called in but it wasn't. AE positions would be filled regardless of credit/debit. Most movement today of other carriers is a result of the pillaging of contracts via BK process and the mass exodus of employees who rather quit than work under new contracts. (AFA negotiated) 9/11 and BK landscape truly shaped the way this airline looks today and who exactly do you blame,or sue, for that. You mention ethics and integrity-those qualities, or lack of, are effecting not only one side here-the sword cuts both ways.

 

[nbmcg01]

There is substantial damage being inflicted on the coffers, no doubt, mostly by suits brought on by its own members...Who can benefit by fanning the political flames and draining the Union of resources? Nobody. (except a little entity called AA) The RPA was a "cluster" theres NOTHING to be done about it now-I do wish that at the time TW talent and expertise was called in but it wasn't. AE positions would be filled regardless of credit/debit. Most movement today of other carriers is a result of the pillaging of contracts via BK process and the mass exodus of employees who rather quit than work under new contracts. (AFA negotiated) 9/11 and BK landscape truly shaped the way this airline looks today and who exactly do you blame,or sue, for that. You mention ethics and integrity-those qualities, or lack of, are effecting not only one side here-the sword cuts both ways.

When an alternate proposal is presented that addresses the $$s without loss of jobs, I question ethics. When a crucial union vote is illegally extended to produce the wanted result instead of the will of the membership, I question ethics. When only no to yes votes are allowed to be changed, I question ethics. If in fact 9-11 IS to blame then AA having accepted Federal dollars owes its employees the right to return to their former jobs no matter how long it takes. I would be willing to bet if there were unlimited recall rights hanging over AA's head, recalls would happen immediately. Why, because after all of the recalls, they could hire off the street. The service product has been hurt, the internal customer battered and ignored, and the external customer no longer has brand loyalty. Yes, AE positions would have been filled but not on the backs of experienced AA f/as being sold out to the lower dollar. You all still don't get it that by not having any flow over protection, you have again devalued the experienced f/as compensation worth. All airlines management would like us to work for new hire wages forever, and the APFA validated that view. So goes the "killer B" mentality. A pound of flesh was desired and a ton was given. You may say that this happened in 2003 but it still affects us all as if it was yesterday. There has never been any acknowledgment of the loss and mistakes by our union. There has not even been the courtesy of a face to face meeting with our current leadership. Appalling at best.