Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

"Candidate?" And what election are you referring to? I know sarcasm is a tough sell on email and forum postings., but you actually make me laugh. Based on your response, giving all deference to cyber space issues, I judge you to be about as sharp as the leading edge of a fog bank.Greeter

I love the uptick of East on East attacks. USAPA, Thy name is ALPA! HA!

 

[Claxon]

"Candidate?" And what election are you referring to? I know sarcasm is a tough sell on email and forum postings., but you actually make me laugh. Based on your response, giving all deference to cyber space issues, I judge you to be about as sharp as the leading edge of a fog bank.Greeter

I respect your opinion. Others may differ.

 

[Claxon]

I love the uptick of East on East attacks. USAPA, Thy name is ALPA! HA!

You used the word scab referring to East pilots in many of your posts, including today. Can you explain your thought process in your accusation. Third request sir.

 

[Claxon]

Can anyone give me any "color" on the PHL NAC briefing today? I have heard second hand that Ciabattoni was told to sit down and shut up by the gallery . I find that hard to believe, as I have always known him to be the smartest man in the room. Please tell me this is just my own "lies and innuendo." I cannot bear the thought such an intelligent individual would suffer so!

Greeter

MEC Resolutions
Special MEC Meeting, 2/15/08
Washington, DC

Moved by Jones/Rogers

WHEREAS the US Airways and America West MECs’ Three Man Steering Committees
were unable to reach agreement on seniority integration issues, and

WHEREAS the US Airways MEC/JNC and the America West MEC/JNC must reach
agreement on a comprehensive contract proposal, including seniority integration issues,
prior to resuming JNC negotiations with US Airways management,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the status quo consisting of separate operations,
under the terms of the Transition Agreement, be maintained until such time as the
America West and US Airways MECs engage in the process as mandated by the
Executive Council to devise a mutually acceptable solution to outstanding seniority
integration and contract issues.

Passes Unanimously
__________________________________________________________________
Subject: AAA Steering Group Appreciation
Moved by Ciabattoni/Brookman

BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC acknowledges and appreciates the hard work of
the AAA MEC Steering Group on behalf of the AAA pilots, and that the principles
established by the AAA MEC were never compromised.

Passes by Acclamation

 

[nic4us]

Speaking of a$$wipes, Capt. Steve Graham got me a years pay from Nic4Us. The PHX chief pilots are calling him in for counseling for abuse of the jump seat. Seems you kids have no idea or respect for the jumpseat that your predecessors worked to get. You are playing with something that is negotiated, and could very well be taken away. You kids just assume you can steal anything you want. Seniority, jumpseat, who knows what you will demand next. You need to learn a little respect and less entitlement.

Ah,,,caught in another fib here,

We had no wager, because,,,

1. A year of my salary is far greater than yours, and I was not about to take an uneven risk/reward.
2. I don't make bets with reneging scumbags who have proven there word is worht less than a pile of dog Shiite.

As far as the jumpseat being a negotiated and possibly taken away.....you mean like crew meals and seniority???? Go screw yourself!!!

Oh, one more thing, I do not know this SG you mention, but if I meet him, I will get his side of the story....and I am guessing you were as big an a-hole in person as you are on this thread, so he left your stupid rear in MCO!

Maybe they will send him to training...you know he gets paid for that right???

 

[cactusboy53]

You used the word scab referring to East pilots in many of your posts, including today. Can you explain your thought process in your accusation. Third request sir.

DUDE! How MANY times must you be SCHOOLED? Metro has the FREEDOM to use that phrase. It would be CRIMInal or not allow him that. The CONTINENTAL United States are full of people that know a day without RAYsin's (sorry raisins) is like a day without sunshine!

Go back to your Claxonian HOLE. Your Claxonian hyperbole is not wanted here!! CB!!

 

[nic4us]

Speaking of a 2003 hire, what does a ten 9 year america west f/o on a A320 and 757 make per hour?

More than any east A320 fo....???

But Clear is not a 2003 hire...he is top of scale f/o and makes more a year than 65% of the east pilots.


Oh, and about your jumpseat accusation. I have heard that the number of east pilots denying west pilots is over two times greater than the other way around,,,,so, your point about the fraction of the larger number of West pilots denied getting a little payback is what again?...oh, wait,,,I already know,,,,your point is you are a mindless idiot supporting a scab union!

 

[mrbreeze]

I attended the Philly roadshow on the MOU yesterday. I suggest that if there is any way for each of you to attend, you should do so.

Much of the info that was provided cleared up my questions and confusion about the MOU.

I changed my vote to "YES".

breeze

 

[A320 Driver]

More than any east A320 fo....???

But Clear is not a 2003 hire...he is top of scale f/o and makes more a year than 65% of the east pilots.


Oh, and about your jumpseat accusation. I have heard that the number of east pilots denying west pilots is over two times greater than the other way around,,,,so, your point about the fraction of the larger number of West pilots denied getting a little payback is what again?...oh, wait,,,I already know,,,,your point is you are a mindless idiot supporting a scab union!

Too bad that Captains on both sides have chosen the jumpseat as a weapon against each other. It used to be off limits to do such a thing. Now, I purposely avoid West jumpseat because I just don't want to deal with the BS. I'm sure plenty of West pilots do the same thing. Isn't there some way to restore the sanity here?

 

[EastUS1]

Oh, one more thing, I do not know this SG you mention, but if I meet him, I will get his side of the story....and I am guessing you were as big an a-hole in person as you are on this thread, so he left your stupid rear in MCO!

Maybe they will send him to training...you know he gets paid for that right???

Oh, and about your jumpseat accusation. I have heard that the number of east pilots denying west pilots is over two times greater than the other way around,,,,so, your point about the fraction of the larger number of West pilots denied getting a little payback is what again?...oh, wait,,,I already know,,,,your point is you are a mindless idiot supporting a scab union!

"...so he left your stupid rear in MCO!"..........."...West pilots denied getting a little payback...."...?

nic4us; From many, mutual observations here I'd always thought you were a person of principle regarding denials of jumpseats. This was the one thing I could always find agreement with you on, and respect for you as a person with at least that much in the way of principles. Your latest BS here is a bit disappointing.

 

[EastUS1]

Too bad that Captains on both sides have chosen the jumpseat as a weapon against each other.

I can't ever find or even imagine the slightest excuse for that kind of crap and will never deny any west pilot a ride. Pulling that kind of infantile nonsense diminishes all of us and insults the profession it's self.

I agree with you on personally avoiding west metal, since the one and only time I sought a jumpseat out west it was smirkingly denied me. Receiving such chidlish treatment's no reason for indulging in it one's self though.

 

[crazystnic]

More than any east A320 fo....???

But Clear is not a 2003 hire...he is top of scale f/o and makes more a year than 65% of the east pilots.


Oh, and about your jumpseat accusation. I have heard that the number of east pilots denying west pilots is over two times greater than the other way around,,,,so, your point about the fraction of the larger number of West pilots denied getting a little payback is what again?...oh, wait,,,I already know,,,,your point is you are a mindless idiot supporting a scab union!

nana nana nah.. My #### stinks less than yours.... Grow up

 

[EastUS1]

nana nana nah.. My #### stinks less than yours.... Grow up

Anyone that's so trivial and childish a creature as to find big fun in jumpseat denials is beneath contempt as a peson and most certainly as any semblance of a supposedly "professional" pilot....period. I don't believe any amount of suggestions for such infants to ever grow up will be of any use whatsoever. Such pathetic little babies must almost be viewed with a bit of honest sympathy, I suppose.

 

[EastUS1]

Much of the info that was provided cleared up my questions and confusion about the MOU.

Everone should vote as they best see fit to do. For me personally; I'm interested only in how the instrument reads and what's defined and stated (or omitted) therein, and not what anyone later "explains" that it supposedly means. On that level; I can only immediately envision hosts of company lawyers in the future, equally enthusiastically "explaining" that it doesn't mean what we now hear. What it means is solely what's contained in the document. Not the conversation.

 

[Zone5]

Except for this paragraph:

10. a. A seniority integration process consistent with McCaskill-Bond shall begin as soon as possible
after the Effective Date. If, on the date ninety (90) days following the Effective Date, direct
negotiations have failed to result in a merged seniority list acceptable to the pilots at both airlines, a
panel of three neutral arbitrators will be designated within fifteen (15) days to resolve the dispute,
pursuant to the authority and requirements of McCaskill-Bond. That arbitration proceeding will
commence no later than 60 days after the designation of the arbitrators, or as soon thereafter as
practicable given the availability of the designated arbitrators, provided that it is understood that, in no
event, shall the seniority integration arbitration proceeding commence prior to final approval of the
JCBA pursuant to the deadlines and procedures in Paragraph 27 below. The panel of arbitrators will
render its award within six (6) months of the commencement of the arbitration, and in any event not
later than 24 months after the Effective Date.


We will need a joint contract BEFORE arbitration begins. How long will that take?

As long as possible works for me. During which time, the current separate ops continues (read East keeps their attrition and advancements) while collecting substantially higher pay and DC contributions. What's not to like?


seajay