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I wish I knew who sent me this rebuttal gem, I would like to shake his/her hand. Biggest revelation...the 5 who now claim to not support the MOU did NOT use roll call. They could have defeated it! :


From: Wall Fly
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:05 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: MOU need to know



The Rest of the Story
By the Fly on the Wall
Is it Fly on the Wall or Fly on ####?

The Unanimous Vote
There's been a lot of conjecture about the possibility that 5 members of the BPR who voted to recommend membership approval of the MOU actually don't support it and will personally vote against it during ratification. THAT IS TRUE, THEY WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. THIS IS THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION OF BAD FAITH. In addition, 2 east pilots who sat in during a portion of deliberations as DDR's (duly designated representatives) will also vote against the MOU. If you're skeptical, give them a call and ask. These are the representatives and DDR's.
Bill McKee
Steve Crimi
DeWitt Ingram
Steve Szpyrka
Mike Gilles
Paul Diorio (DDR)
Mike Martin (DDR)



This is obviously causing a lot of confusion on the line. How could 7 east pilots who had a hand in deliberating the MOU not actually be supportive of it? After all, it was a unanimous vote, right?

The reason isn't that complicated. Here is why there was a unanimous vote without actual unanimous support of the MOU: NO IT IS NOT COMPLICATED. IF YOU ARE A MAN OF PRINCIPLE YOU VOTE EITHER NO OR YES AND MEAN IT. YOU DO NOT VOTE ONE WAY AND THEY GO OUT AND VOTE ANOTHER.

•        The 5 members of the BPR (and 2 DDR's) believe that President Hummel is working in collusion with the Company and he is being enabled by 6 BPR members (3 PHX, 2 DCA, 1 PHL). As a result, they believe that the MOU is the best we can do absent a recall of the Officers or a change in the BPR (PHL election), or…A REJECTION BY THE MEMBERSHIP.

THIS IS SO PREPOSTEROUS IT BORDERS ON THE INSANE. YET IT IS THE BIGGEST LIES THAT ARE BELIEVED. SO LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK. ASSUME GARY HUMMEL IS WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COMPANY. THAT MEANS…

•    ALL THE NAC ARE WORKING WITH THE COMPANY. THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T NEGOTIATE, THE NAC DOES.
•    THE PROFESSIONAL NEGOTIATOR WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED.
•    THE GENERAL COUNSEL AND MERGER COUNSEL WOULD ALSO HAVE TO BE INVOLVED.
•    THE CHAIRMAN OF SEVERAL COMMITTEES WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED.
•    WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BPR MEMBERS ARE THEY INVOLVED TOO?

•        The 5 demanded extra cash for our pilots (pay beginning on the date of ratification). When they did this, one of the 5 offered a unanimous vote to secure the pay. He did not have the consensus of the 5.

The 5 voted for you to approve the MOU not because they thought it was a good agreement but because they absolutely knew the other 6 were going to approve it with a 6-5 vote and decided if that was going to happen they needed to use their leverage to secure some additional pay, and that's just what they did. But, and this is a monumental but….they do not want the membership to ratify the agreement.

A Little History

The 7 pilots named above believe that the Officers, particularly Gary Hummel, are working in collusion with the Company and will be rewarded someday by the company, a la Assistant Chief Pilot Bill Pollock. THIS IS DELUSIONAL THINKING AT ITS BEST.


These Officers are being enabled by 6 members of the BPR – 3 PHX, 2 DCA, 1 PHL (Weidner) so they routinely lose votes 6-5. On January 3rd after hours of heated debate it was obvious the 6 were going to force a vote on the MOU and there was no doubt it would pass 6-5.

ARTICLE V SECTION 5 VOTING – B. DIVISION OF THE HOUSE SHALL BE PERMITTED ONLY FOR VOTES TAKEN TO APPROVE OR REJECT ANY TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS AFFECTING INCOME, WORK RULE CHANGE(S), AND/OR BENEFIT(S); SETTING PARAMETERS FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING; AGREEMENTS ON AFFILIATION OR MERGER WITH ANOTHER LABOR ORGANIZATION; AGREEMENTS ARISING FROM A MERGER OF, OR SUCCESSOR TRANSACTIONS INVOLVING THE EMPLOYER, OR ITS PARENT (INCLUDING SENIORITY INTEGRATION AGREEMENTS); AND AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION AND BYLAWS. ON A DIVISION OF THE HOUSE VOTE, EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD SHALL BE ENTITLED TO VOTE EQUAL PERCENTAGES OF THE ACTIVE MEMBERS IN GOOD STANDING AT HIS DOMICILE PROVIDED THAT:

QUESTION – WHY DIDN'T THEY ATTEMPT A ROLL-CALL OR DIVISION OF THE HOUSE VOTE?



Immediately prior to that the 6 members of the BPR, all 4 NAC members, 3 of 4 Officers, the Comm. Chairman and the Scope Chairman and a few more had all verbalized their belief that the MOU as presented was "the best we could do" and there was "nothing more left on the table".

THIS WAS ALSO THE OPINION OF THE PROFESSIONAL NEGOTIATOR.

Only a moment before the vote would have been forced, Vice Chairman Steve Crimi asked each member of the 5 if he had permission to speak for the group and they each replied "yes". He then addressed the BPR and informed them that if the vote was forced right then, the 5 members would call for a "division" (roll call) and the MOU would fail. (When a "division" is called each BPR member votes for each pilot they represent. In that case, the 5 members have more votes than the 6)

After a cacophony of outbursts from the 6 subsided, an ultimatum was given…If the company meets a specific demand – which was given moments later - the 5 would still vote against the MOU, but they would not call for a division to prevail and the MOU would pass 6 -5. Soon after the ultimatum was given, one of the 5 offered a unanimous vote. That offer by one member of the 5 has proved very problematic because as a result, the 5 are being censored from communicating their true feelings about the MOU.

THIS IS BULLS***! THE OFFER TO THE COMPANY WAS THAT IN TURN FOR A UNANIMOUS YES VOTE OF THE BPR, THE COMPANY WOULD THE NEW PAY RATES RETROACTIVELY TO DATE OF RATIFICATION. A TRADE WAS MADE, IN TURN FOR UNANIMOUS YES, THE PILOTS GET RETROACTIVE PAY TO THE DATE OF RATIFICATION.

IF YOU RENEGE ON THIS YOU ARE PROVING THAT THE UNION CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO MAKE ANY DEAL AT ALL.


Why Didn't the Five Use Division to Stop the MOU if They Didn't Support it?

Unlike at ALPA, a Division of the house can only be used for very specific purposes under the USAPA Constitution. Here's the language

"Division of the house shall be permitted only for votes taken to approve or reject any tentative agreements affecting income, work rule change(s), and/or benefit(s); setting parameters for collective bargaining; agreements on affiliation or merger with another labor organization; agreements arising from a merger of, or successor transactions involving the employer, or its parent (including seniority integration agreements); and amendments to the Constitution and Bylaws. On a Division of the house vote, each member of the Board shall be entitled to vote equal percentages of the active members in good standing…"

The 5 did not call for a division of the house to stop the MOU because they knew if the MOU failed at the BPR level that additional actions would needed to be taken and these actions would come in the form of directives through BPR resolutions. At that point, a call for division would not be available under the Constitution and any action the 5 thought necessary would likely be voted down 6-5 again. It is also particularly difficult to direct the President and lawyers and committees to do certain things when the President - who oversees both Legal Counsel and the Committees - does not support such actions. With these things in mind, the 5 chose instead to use the threat of division to secure an additional gain for the pilots should the membership approve the MOU. Do not take this to mean they support the MOU and want you to ratify it. They do not.

DEAR FLY, THIS IS SOME MUCH BULL. YOU REALLY ARE A REAL S***-EATER. THIS IS NOT HOW THE CONSTITUTION WORKS. SO IT IS OK TO ACTUALLY LIE TO EVERYONE THE BPR MEMBERS, THE PILOTS AND EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOUTELY RIGHT? THIS IS INSANE THINKING AND ALMOST SCHIZOPHRENIC BEHAVIOR.

The Quickest Way to a Better Lifestyle?

You may have noticed that USAPA continues telling the membership that the BPR and President "believes this MOU is the quickest and surest path to a better lifestyle for us all." Has anyone ever seen a resolution the BPR voted on that says such a thing? No, of course no one has because it doesn't exist. This statement was never endorsed by the BPR. It's simply part of the USAPA sales job.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN A RATIONAL EXPLINATION OF WHY THE BPR UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO SEND THIS DOCUMENT OUT WITH A YES RECOMENDATION

Did the 6 Support the Retro Pay Date of February 8th?

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH TED THAT IT CAME FROM CHARLOTTE SOURCES ON THE BPR AND ALSO VIOLATED THE NDA

Ted Reed, who for years covered US Airways for the Charlotte Observer recently wrote an article for The Street.com that was picked up by Forbes. In it he gave credit to the CLT Reps. and 2 PHL Reps. for making a unanimous vote possible by their demand for additional pay. Subsequent to the story he sent out a revised version suggesting that some of the 6 also supported the demand for additional pay. So what happened? Why did Ted Reed change his story to now suggest that maybe the 6 also played a role? Simple; when the original story came out, the 6 were outraged that credit was being given where it was due and one of the DCA Reps. communicated to Ted Reed that they also were supportive. After Ted Reed heard from enough people demanding that he change history, he rewrote the story with the addition of the suggestion that it wasn't only the 5 who sought a change. He got it both right and wrong by the way. The 6 Reps. were indeed supportive…right after they were made aware that they had no other choice because the 5 were going to call for division. For PHX, DCA, or Jamie Weidner to suggest they had any part in securing the retro pay is absolute hogwash. Remember, the threat of division was not made until 16 people – yes 16 total! – had given their opinion that the MOU was the best that could be done and no more was available, including the 6 BPR members who afterwards sought credit through Ted Reed. As it turned out, they were all wrong, except for the 5 of course. The 6 were going to force a vote and vote yes without the pay date being moved back to the date of ratification.

ACTUALLY THE 3 CLT REPS ARE TRYING TO AVOID RECALL AND WHEN ONE OF THEM THEY FED THE STORY TO TED REED OTHERS CHIMED IN TO CORRECT THE RECORD.

The Dividing Line

Apparently last week at the NAC roadshow in CLT, Steve Crimi more than once explained to the membership why, in his opinion, we didn't secure real retroactive pay or an equity stake similar to APA's. He politely dismissed the excuse the NAC had just given about us not having "a claim" in bankruptcy court and instead spoke of a dividing line amongst the BPR and also amongst the line pilots. The dividing line being between those who think we have real leverage and those who think we don't. He explained that clearly 5 members on the BPR believe we have significant leverage and 6 members don't. He went on to summarize that the reason we didn't secure real retro pay or an equity stake was because the USAPA leadership (President and 6 members of the BPR) refused to use the available leverage. You could tell he had more to say, but avoiding the politics seemed to be important to him.

STEVE CRIMI COMMITTED HIMSELF TO A BAD FAITH ACTION THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES UNDER THE RAILWAY LABOR ACT. IT IS ACTIONABLE AND IF THE MOU FAILS HE AND OTHERS MAY HAVE TO ANSWER THE COMPANY IN COURT.

What Now?

It's pretty obvious USAPA is selling this MOU to the pilots. The material mailed to you contains only the good and none of the bad. It doesn't even contain the MOU itself and that's what you are voting on. This MOU will get a tremendous amount of "no" votes. It would get even more - perhaps even fail - if the pilots understand that saying "no" is not the end of the game. If the pilots say "no" that would be the 3rd strike against the NAC and the President and the other Officers. The 5 member minority of the BPR would get the message (maybe even the 6 would finally get the message) loud and clear from the pilots that "we are behind you and we expect you to get more". They would be emboldened to make use of "division" to dictate negotiations which they are allowed to do, and you can expect they would make significant changes to the NAC and our bargaining positions. It would also be likely someone in the membership would start a recall attempt against the President and maybe the entire Officer corps. It's a very similar scenario to what happened at APA after the leadership said to pass the LBFO and it overwhelmingly failed. From there they moved forward and were able to improve on the first agreement.

THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE I AGREE, BUT NOT FOR FLY'S REASONS. IF THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL IN DEFEATING THE MOU AND THE PILOTS ARE REALLY AND TRULY AGAINST IT AND THE MOU FAILS, THEN THEY NEED TO STEP DOWN. THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ALL ABOUT. HOWEVER ATTACKING PERSONS AND NOT THE ISSUES IS THE PROBLEM HERE. I WOULD ASK THOSE WHO WANT MORE, HOW DO YOU INTEND TO GET IT AND WHAT WILL YOU DO THAT WILL IMPROVE THE SITUATION? BE SPECIFIC, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT THEN WHAT IS THE PLAN?


The Dividing Line Revisited and the Possible Paths

Do we really have leverage? The 5 think they proved it to a degree when 16 people in positions of authority in the union said "there is no more available" and the very next day the company offered another $50 to $100 million.

Much more like

If the leverage is real and the membership says "no", the company will be back in short order to improve their offer. If the leverage is not real then the company will attempt to do the deal without us which would simply mean a delay in working under the APA contract. But since the APA contract has many, many pitfalls because of a poor MOU, is that really much of a risk at all? If there is a delay, then you would enjoy significant forward movement due to your long awaited attrition that just began in December.

The MOU and NAC Misrepresentations

Here are a few topics the NAC is misrepresenting:


•        Pay protection
•        Minimum block hours
•        E190 fleet size
•        B-Scale
•        The value of your Change of Control language

Pay Protection

There are two types of pay protection in the MOU and both are being misrepresented by the NAC. They continue to pretend that if you are displaced from your equipment (pay protection I) or onto the E190 (pay protection II) you will be pay protected. It's nonsense and it's irresponsible for the NAC to lead pilots to believe there is pay protection in an attempt to get this MOU to pass. Why not just tell the pilots the facts and let them decide?

Here's the pertinent language for pay protection for displacement:

Any US Airways pilot as of the Effective Date who is thereafter involuntarily displaced to a
lower paying position shall be pay protected. The pay protections of this Paragraph shall continue unchanged if the affected pilot(s) suffer(s) multiple displacements, but shall end whenever such pilot(s) can hold the position from which the pilot was originally displaced or an equivalent or greater pay position.

Do you understand what it means? It means you won't be pay protected unless you can't hold a piece of equipment that pays the same anywhere in the system. So, if you get displaced out of your Airbus Captain seat in CLT and you can hold MD80 Captain in Chicago…no pay protection.

YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. THEY BOTH AY THE SAME AND YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING EXTRA. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT?

Here's the E190 pay protection language:

Commencing on the date of single operating certificate for US Airways and New American
Airlines or their successors (if any), all pilots, who have established and maintain seniority on the US Airways mainline system and who are eligible for furlough protection pursuant to Paragraph 11 above, will be paid in accordance with the Group I pay rates as set forth in Paragraph 22 when flying a Group I aircraft except for the following pay protection: a Group I captain shall be paid at Group III first officer pay rates unless the captain can hold a Group III first officer or higher-paying position; a Group I first officer shall be paid at Group II first officer pay rates unless the first officer can hold a Group II first officer or higher-paying position.

Do you understand what it means? It means if you get displaced to the E190 Captain you won't be pay protected to your previous equipment if you can hold a group III F/O (767). Both of these pay protections are useless, yet the NAC is advertising that there is pay protection. Why? NAC Chairman Dean Colello admitted that Scott Kirby himself said he probably will never pay a dime in pay protection. Why isn't that in the mailer from USAPA?

THE REASON SCOTT KIRBY SAID THEY WOULDN'T PAY A DIME FOR PAY PROTECTION IS THAT THEY DON'T ENVISION MORE DOWNSIZING. THE COMPANY IS LOOKING AT ATTRITION AND NEW DUTY REGULATIONS. THEY DON'T SEE A MAJOR DOWNSIZING.

E190 Fleet Size

Now that you know the pay protections are worthless let's discuss how many E190's the company is allowed. The NAC has been asked numerous times at roadshows what prevents the company from flooding the airline with E190's. They are quick to point out it's not allowed during the interim protections because the E190 isn't included in the minimum block hour provision. It is true that they are not included in the minimums but that doesn't prohibit the company from getting just as many as they want. True, they would have to be in addition to aircraft covered under the minimum block hour language so that's OK. But let's be clear…the company can get as many E190's as they desire.

THE COMPANY IS CURRENTLY UNDER NO RESTRICTIONS ON 190'S RIGHT NOW! THEY CAN BUY AS MANY AS THEY WANT. THERE IS NO LIMIT WHATSOEVER ON ERJ190'S. NO RATIO, NO MINIMUM NUMBER, THE ONLY RESTRICTION WE HAVE IS ON MAINLINE AIRCRAFT.


The bigger question of course is how many E190's can the company get after the interim block hour protections expire? The NAC has also been asked this numerous times and Dean Colello's answer has been ridiculous. When he was asked in CLT he answered – with a straight face – that even though the company could replace every MD-80 and old 737 with E190's he doesn't think it will be a problem because Embraer can't build the airplanes fast enough. No, this isn't a joke. Long term you have no protection from the company getting hundreds of E190's with a new B-scale but the NAC doesn't think it's a problem because of limitations on manufacturing rates.

WHY WILL THE BIGGEST AIRLINE ON EARTH STAFF ITSELF WITH E-190'S? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? WHY DO THEY HAVE HUNDREDS OF BOEINGS AND EVEN MORE AIRBUSES ON ORDER? ARE THEY JUST WAITING FOR THE INK TO DRY SO THEY CAN SELL ALL THESE ORDERS TO SOMEONE AND BY LOT'S OF RJ'S. I GET IT IT'S A PLOT! HOW WILL THE LARGEST AIRLINE ON EARTH COMPETE WITH DELTA AND UNITED WITH E-190'S AND THE MAIN FLEET?

The New B-Scale

Already famous for the launch of the B-scale in the 80's, the APA has done it again with the E190 Captain rate of $114/hr. It is true the airplane is included in the parity review on January 1, 2016 and is expected to be brought up to $147 an hour but since the parity review is done by adding a certain percentage increase to an artificially low rate, the $147 will reflect well below industry standard for the E190. To make matters worse, the NAC is avoiding telling you that contained in the APA contract is the following language:

Neither party shall, without the written consent of the other party, seek to modify the pay relationship (i.e. ratio) set forth in Section 3.E. between Group I and Groups II – V through the processes of the Railway Labor Act for a period of two (2) contract cycles or ten (10) years from DOS, whichever is later.


Do you understand what it means? It means the B-scale E190 rates will be here for over a decade before APA is even allowed to discuss it with management. They have agreed to not bring it up for 10 years or two Section 6 negotiating cycles whichever is longer.

And how did the APA go about mitigating the lower E190 pay? With this language:

Pilots flying Group I aircraft may pick-up as restricted only by FAR limits.

This is the only fleet that is allowed a cap of FAR limits. It looks like this was the APA's way of addressing the lower hourly pay.

Block Hour Protections

The NAC is leading pilots to believe that the block hour minimums in the MOU are an improvement from your current contract. They are not. The block hour minimums you enjoy now are calculated as actual block hours. The minimums in the MOU are calculated as scheduled block hours. In an average month, actual block hours flown end up being around 95% of scheduled. When you apply this ratio you will find that the MOU number is a concession. More importantly is that the East is presently flying about 9% above the contractual limits and is very likely to reduce all the way to the new MOU limits once the code share with American is allowed. Do the math, 9 % to the current contractual limits and an additional 5% to the MOU minimums. Assuming the New American will live up to its "no furlough" commitment it is likely that they will shrink at the rate of attrition which means the East will take the brunt of the reductions since the West's attrition rate is almost non-existent and they are already near their contractual minimums.

As a reminder, the "actual" versus "scheduled" block hour minimum is something your union fought hard to retain and won in grievance only to give it away in the MOU.

THE NAC IS NOT SELLING THESE AS AN IMPROVEMENT; THEY ARE DESCRIBING PROTECTIONS BASED ON REASONABLE PROJECTIONS. THE COMBINED AIRLINE WILL BE THE LARGEST ON THE PLANET AND THERE WILL BE SOME OVERLAP AND ADJUSTMENT. THESE ARE MINIMUM FLOORS.



Widebody Protection

The NAC is very proud of the wide-body protections in the MOU. They continually remind you that you don't have any widebody minimum block hour protections in your contract and they were able to negotiate them for you in the MOU. Unfortunately they aren't telling you the whole story because you currently do have protections for every route flown by a widebody. It's called a code share prohibition and it's found in Section 1 of your contract. If the company wants to serve an international city with a widebody, a US Airways pilot will be in the cockpit with only a couple exceptions. For the NAC to tell you that you don't have widebody protections in your contract is extremely misleading.



Have you looked at the widebody protection language in the MOU? Here it is: "The number of widebody positions, either maintained or pay protected, for US Airways pilots shall be no less than 291 US Airways widebody captain positions and 475 US Airways widebody first officer positions."

It jumps out that the number of protected positions is less than those in the March bid – 9% by the way. What is often overlooked is this important language, "…either maintained or pay protected…". It is the "or pay protected" that you need to be acutely aware of. What it means is if the company decides to retire the entire A330 fleet, all they would need to do to abide by the MOU would be pay the pilots the difference between the A330 hourly rate and what the pilot was displaced to.

The Value of Your Change of Control

The NAC sent you a Q & A on January 25th. It was another in a series of educational pieces meant to persuade you to vote "yes" on the MOU. In it the NAC provided you with their take on the valuation of the change of control being triggered versus signing onto the MOU. Their valuation is pointless because the value of the Change of Control does not come from it being triggered. The value of the Change of Control is to force the company to the table. The Change of Control is for sale, and right now your President, NAC and 6 members of the BPR are encouraging you to sell it for a fraction of its true worth. Only a few years ago, Doug Parker in an interview with Ted Reed said a merger couldn't be done with the Change of Control language in place. Vote "no" and the company will be back.

CHANGE OF CONTROL:
1. YOU FIRST HAVE TO GRIEVE IT AND WIN IT.
2. IF THE MOU IS VOTED DOWN THE COMPANY WILL CHANGE THE WAY THE CORPORATE TRANSACTION IS DONE IN AN ATTEMPT TO END RUN IT.
3. IF HE CHANGE OF CONTROL IS TRIGGERED IT WILL ONLY BE FOR A FEW MONTHS UNTIL APA BECOMES THE BARGAINING AGENT AND NEGOTIATES IT AWAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THE CHANGE OF CONTROL ONLY AFFECTS EAST PILOTS AT GROUP II OR ABOVE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THOSE 190 PILOTS YOU ARE SO ANXIOUS TO PROTECT. SO WHY NOT URGE CHANGE OF CONTROL AND THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS. REMEMBER THEY WILL GET NOTHING ON CHANGE OF CONTROL SO THEY WILL JUST HAVE TO WAIT. YOU ARE ALSO LEAVING THE WEST OUT OF THE PICTURE COMPLETELY. AMERICAN PILOTS DON'T GET THIS SO THIS CHANGE OF CONTROL ACTUALLY ONLY BENEFITS A LITTLE OVER 20% OF THE PILOT GROUP.



Sincerely,

The Fly on the Wall

IF THIS WERE NOT SO INSANE YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THIS FLY. HOWEVER AS IT IS, THE FLY AND HIS WRITING ARE PURE S*IT.
 
I saw that guy Fly on the Wall the other day, here is what he looks like....

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I don't even want to think about what he eats...
 
I wish I knew who sent me this rebuttal gem,
The 7 pilots named above believe that the Officers, particularly Gary Hummel, are working in collusion with the Company and will be rewarded someday by the company, a la Assistant Chief Pilot Bill Pollock.
Specifically,

Why was Pollock given a position as asst Chief Pilot?
 
Specifically,

Why was Pollock given a position as asst Chief Pilot?

I guess we will never know. My guess is it was a hot poker in our eye after the stupidly organized and poorly executed abortion of a work action the CLT reps attempted summer before last. Probably the same reason they put Marshall Rogers in a similar roll.But your angry connect the dots does not make any sense. Parker and Kirby were not even on the scene when Pollock did his ALPA dirty work, and dirty it was. Why would they reward him, if you can call that a reward? Putting all that aside, it must be noted that even after Pollock's work, membership ratification was required. Wait a minute, here it is again...you don't think our pilots are smart enough to make a decision.Greeter
 
Wow! A little dose of reality and you guys spin out of control. Face it USAPA was a more complete failure than anybody thought possible.
 
What about the IAM's CoC argument - the one they lost?

They lost it because the stock ended up being USAIR stock in the outcome. So?...what will the stock end up being after the Merger? AA.... You cant hide forever !
 
Speaking of a$$wipes, Capt. Steve Graham got me a years pay from Nic4Us. The PHX chief pilots are calling him in for counseling for abuse of the jump seat. Seems you kids have no idea or respect for the jumpseat that your predecessors worked to get. You are playing with something that is negotiated, and could very well be taken away. You kids just assume you can steal anything you want. Seniority, jumpseat, who knows what you will demand next. You need to learn a little respect and less entitlement.
How can someone steal the jumpseat? That is a captain decision. Are you saying that west captains do not have the authority to decide who sits on their jumpseat?

First of all how would you know who the west CPO is talking to? Next even if the CPO is talking to the captain. NOTHING will happen once both sides of the story are told.
 
I agree with you east, but I feel that you and some of the MOU no voters are assuming that everyone has made their yes decision out of fear and uncertainty. I haven't, I'm not scared in the least. It's just my logic and reason, flawed or not, has led me to the conclusion that it's the best we will get. And that comes after deciding to vote no on the first MOU.

I've offered for anyone to lay out a blueprint for what happens with a no vote. That's not to shred it, it's to look at it. No one has.

Its not an issue of telling you what will happen if you don't buy now. No one can. Its all about how you look at it. Are you the buyer or the seller?

If you are making a buying decision you know what it costs and you know what happens when you agree to buy it now. You have control. Its the devil you know.

If you approach it as a seller you don't know what the buyer will do. Its isn't up to you. The buyer will tell you your product isn't really worth what you want for it, he laughs at the thought he would bother to come back tomorrow, and he says he can get what you have anywhere else down the street. If you believe him and he meets your selling point, you sell. If you think he is telling you a story and he doesn't meet your minimum price then you tell him no, and you don't control what the buyer might do in the future. Scary. Its the devil you don't know.

The world is full of buyers. Its comfy. Its a bird in the hand worth two in the bush.

DUI will get the MOU, and the buyers will once again learn the reason for the adage, buyer beware.
 
How can someone steal the jumpseat? That is a captain decision. Are you saying that west captains do not have the authority to decide who sits on their jumpseat?

The west pilots have used access to the jump seat as a political tool since you were told your lottery ticket can not be cashed. You are a 2003 hire, you never had to make that decision.

Speaking of a 2003 hire, what does a ten 9 year america west f/o on a A320 and 757 make per hour?
 
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