And the people that we elected to look our for our best interests all recommended a no on it. That sent it back for improvements. They now say yes, right?
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And the people that we elected to look our for our best interests all recommended a no on it. That sent it back for improvements. They now say yes, right?
Not a fair comparison sir. The APA properly canned their top leadership after they found what was offered to be entirely unacceptable. Round two for them, if you will, wasn't run by the same thinking. I've not thought to ask any of my AMR buds whether or not they received any glossy sales brochures though.
Note further that the AMR folks are ensnared in the jaws of bankruptcy at present...yet, even with that, have no apparent reluctance to demand and get the very most they can. What's our excuse for not doing so, and instead, cheerfully accepting the position of merely second-class citizens?
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The 5 members of the BPR (and 2 DDR’s) believe that President Hummel is working in collusion with the Company and he is being enabled by 6 BPR members (3 PHX, 2 DCA, 1 PHL). As a result, they believe that the MOU is the best we can do absent a recall of the Officers or a change in the BPR (PHL election), or…a rejection by the membership.
Dang, Gary is really busted now. How could this confidential information find its way to an anonamous source?
I will change my vote to a "no" immediatly. Thank goodness this info got out. None of us had any idea such evil was among us.
Greeter (I guess when the facts and logic fail, you can always go with the "collusion with the Company" angle. Yeah, that's the ticket)
Dang, Gary is really busted now. How could this confidential information find its way to an anonamous source?
I will change my vote to a "no" immediatly. Thank goodness this info got out. None of us had any idea such evil was among us.
Greeter (I guess when the facts and logic fail, you can always go with the "collusion with the Company" angle. Yeah, that's the ticket)
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I would seem some are not men of their word. They indeed ask for improvements and got them. But they don't have the courage to make a decision, so now we hear they "voted one way but really meant another." You cannot make this stuff up. Heck, Gillies never even showed up for the vote. He was scared he might have to actually be accountable. He was indeed available, but called in scared.Greeter
Or perhaps just disgusted? Just asking.
"The 5 members of the BPR (and 2 DDR's) believe that President Hummel is working in collusion with the Company..."?
Interesting. If it's indeed the earnest belief of 5 members of the BPR that such is the case...Well...Why would/should they think that way? I can imagine one or perhaps even two individuals in any such scenario becoming disgruntled and striking out for purely personal reasons...but FIVE...?
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My point was that DUI wants us to ratify an MOU.
Our merger "mess" has been a windfall for DUI and all his investor friends. DUI and the UCC certainly do want an MOU from us (see you made my point) but I would suggest their interest in an MOU has nothing to do with helping DUI save face.
I see your point. They have two choices:
1). If we don't give them a MOU they will be able to proceed with the merger without us, and even better for them, they will be able to avoid any pay raises at all because they will be able to keep us on LOA 93! And still get their $1.2-$1.5 Billion in increased revenues. Our loss pays for the merger and they make more, just because they can... Or,
2) They buy our cooperation (as you put) via an MOU. But not because they need our cooperation (option one would obviously be more profitable for them).. Why? Because they are nice and we are cool?
Yes, proof.PROOF!
Indeed. Once more, I must truly wonder at how anyone can miss the obvious here.
"Why? Because they are nice and we are cool?" If anyone needs another good belly-laugh after that; I must fault you for ommitting the ONLY other, obvious possibility = "Because it's the Right Thing to do."...?
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Yes, to understand who fits PR Barnum's axiom, one only need to observe who is content to accept themselves to be the buyers, rather than seller.
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That question makes no sense. It's his elected job to vote in the interest of his member pilots. I say again, he was available and chose not to come. That way he did not have to say he personally voted one way but actually meant another. Real men.Greeter.
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Doug thanks you and the rest of your emotional tantrum throwers for such a boon. 1/3rd of a 30 year career on LOA93? By choice? For....? Nothing? LOL!
I don't mind the incessant whining...lets just be honest whose to blame for the East's perceived woes.
Since you brought it up: Could you please now explain to us all why FIVE members of the BPR could even begin to believe that Hummel's essentially just acting the part of a company stooge here? I must admit that if such is true, it would explain a great deal of what's been transpiring lately. Seriously; Are all five just completely insane and hopelessly delusional? Some rather rancid stench is starting to emerge from all of this here.
They saw that with Parker trying to do a merger it gave them strength. Simple. Even with them in Ch11 they have a stronger hand than we do because someone wants their airline. Parker went to them, they did not come to us. That and it looks like they have put their food fight behind them and acted as a cohesive group, something we cannot do.
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Just hopelessly delusional.
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