Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Certainly, if we give DUI the few things that he wants now, that in his words will prevent a merger, then once there is a merger, he will be motivated to give us the things we are interested in, or he might be a bit busy counting his dinero.

He will be dealing with a pilot group, 14,000 strong. No whipsawing. No East/West. A signed contract approved by the Board of Directors that states management has 3 years to get their #### together, take advantage of the synergies and provide us a contract equal to Delta and United.

 

[luvthe9]

He will be dealing with a pilot group, 14,000 strong. No whipsawing. No East/West. A signed contract approved by the Board of Directors that states management has 3 years to get their #### together, take advantage of the synergies and provide us a contract equal to Delta and United.

I would say he's just dealing with 14,000 pilots and leave it at that, "strong" not from your group.

 

[luvthe9]

No wonder you have no credibility here. Maybe you are not lying, maybe you just don't have a grasp of reality. The vote by the BPR was 11-0. FACT.

I meant the way the reps are actually voting on the MOU, sorry for the confusion.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I meant the way the reps are actually voting on the MOU, sorry for the confusion.

OK Luv, understood. And a pilot's personal vote is just that. Please forward me any correspondence you have from any of the sitting reps announcing in public their position is anything other than support for the MOU. Crimi already tried that route, ask him about his smackdown. Greeter

 

[dca319]

This thing is way to vague and to manygray areas, you are obviously a westie posing to be an east pilot or you are really that stupid, look back at LOA 93, how many side letters, I'm not against an MOU but this thing needs to be looked at better and not rushed I would like if they put this vote off for a short time to really go overit, funny how the hard sell at the shows but no talk on any down side, I guess you just don't get it.

Stupid? You have no clue as to what you're saying, no clue as to what you're asking, and no clue as to a solution. The NAC quite plainly stated that if this MOU is voted down, this merger continues without us and we sit on the sidelines.

 

[dca319]

Pantswetter

Pantswetter, west pilot, etc, etc. Thanks for all the hard work you do.

 

[dca319]

Move2Clt fingerprints all over it. Nice try Jurik.

Pantswetter too? So is this what your contingent has resorted too?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Funny,
We have a signed CBA, with rates twice the East rates....

You mean they did that?

Impressive.....

You AArogant AAssholes get $248/hr to fly narrow body jets?

 

[dca319]

Not true. Someone (in this case USAPA) not the company, not AOL and not the Easter Bunny, will present the data when the SLI negotiation commences. At which point, according to your vision of how things will work, the APA will just say, "Thanks but no thanks, we will just use this NIC list that we downloaded from the AOL website", really?


seajay

Please try to get this. This comes from the APA and the NAC.

1 Pilot data consisting of DOH, longevity, seat position, etc is exchanged between pilot groups. The order of the pilots in the data being exchanged is irrelevant.

2 Each union then takes the other unions DATA (not list) and then orders it and integrates it into their own list.

3 Each union then comes back to the table and exchanges their respective lists. They will differ from one another because of differing priorities in their methodology for integration. We, obviously, are looking for a DOH list. They're looking for a slotting-type list.

4 Then each side will try to meet in the middle with their methodology. That will fail.

5 Arbitration.

IMHO, the APA will take our data and order it in accordance to the Nicolau award and then slot us into their list. Again, IMHO, it'll be done to avoid any potential litigation.
DOH won't work on our end. It failed miserably before and it will fail again. The last few mergers have proven this.

 

[dca319]

Actually I retract what I said because I think you misinterpret.

APA is going to take what USAPA gives them and use it with their list.

USAPA vice versa. Employment data doesn't go into a big pot and we both fish out the list each wants.

What I'm saying is USAPA is giving APA DOH list under the protocol that iscthe list they use from us and we use the list we are given from them. The companies are neutral.

If we'd isn't agree with each other after sixty we go to arbitration with the lists each was given and go from there.

That's not my interpretation. That came from the APA and NAC.

 

[Claxon]

Please try to get this. This comes from the APA and the NAC.

1 Pilot data consisting of DOH, longevity, seat position, etc is exchanged between pilot groups. The order of the pilots in the data being exchanged is irrelevant.

2 Each union then takes the other unions DATA (not list) and then orders it and integrates it into their own list.

3 Each union then comes back to the table and exchanges their respective lists. They will differ from one another because of differing priorities in their methodology for integration. We, obviously, are looking for a DOH list. They're looking for a slotting-type list.

4 Then each side will try to meet in the middle with their methodology. That will fail.

5 Arbitration.

IMHO, the APA will take our data and order it in accordance to the Nicolau award and then slot us into their list. Again, IMHO, it'll be done to avoid any potential litigation.
DOH won't work on our end. It failed miserably before and it will fail again. The last few mergers have proven this.

No they won't. For the same reasons when you tried as Move2clt

 

[luvthe9]

Stupid? You have no clue as to what you're saying, no clue as to what you're asking, and no clue as to a solution. The NAC quite plainly stated that if this MOU is voted down, this merger continues without us and we sit on the sidelines.

You forgot to mention the world ends also.

 

[N924PS]

You AArogant AAssholes get $248/hr to fly narrow body jets?

AAnd you get $160/hr to fly across the big ocean in an A330 and brag about staying on LOA93. Priceless!

 

[luvthe9]

OK Luv, understood. And a pilot's personal vote is just that. Please forward me any correspondence you have from any of the sitting reps announcing in public their position is anything other than support for the MOU. Crimi already tried that route, ask him about his smackdown. Greeter

Sorry Mark, wouldn't send you a thing if I had , your the enemy.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Sorry Mark, wouldn't send you a thing if I had , your the enemy.

"if I had." You really are just making this up as you go. And I hope you soon figure out who your real enemies are. They really, really are not on this forum, nor in your cockpit.Greeter