Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

We saved this company twice, AWA and now AMR ....

I got news for you genius, American is going to emerge out of bankruptcy with or without us.

We're not saving them.

 

[EastUS1]

Vote no if you want, see where that gets us.

Works for me = NO! All individual pilots must of course, properly choose for themselves.

 

[EastUS1]

I've got to say, If what US pilots are getting is less than what AA pilots are getting, it's a travesty, especially in light of last year's record profits.

Indeed, and a sorry and pathetic travesty at that.

 

[luvthe9]

They are being compensated for concessions they are making now, just like the $35 million we got during our bankrurtcy.

Vote no if you want, see where that gets us.

I predict another year on LOA 93 and APA alone writes our next contract.

Let's hope they will do a better job than we have done.

 

[luvthe9]

I got news for you genius, American is going to emerge out of bankruptcy with or without us.

We're not saving them.

Good for them I hope they do!!!!!!!!!! I guess they don't need us then contrary to what Horton has said.

 

[traderjake]

LOA84/93 over the past 6 or 7 years has saved this company around 8 BILLION dollars, and what our we getting. NOT QUITE ENOUGH!!!!!.

There he goes again....

American is suppose to make us whole for what we gave up in the past.

 

[nycbusdriver]

"Maybe" indeed, since I didn't even see any specific date or ironclad-drop-dead-timing for that to be guaranteed without penalty for failure.

"Oooohhhh, ahhhhh. Wow." Yep. I'm almost as much in awe of that glossy "sales brochure" as I was by alpo's magazines, or the Fantasyland ride tickets/brochures sent from AOL

Oh, yes, pilots! We will gladly pay that back pay just as soon as we can get the computers reprogrammed to handle the payments. We called the speedy ACARS programmers away from their work of screwing with your times to get the pay computers up to speed.

Once that has taken place (we really have no time estimate for you...sorry), we will be making those back payments annually over the course of 25 years starting in 18 months.

You signed the MOU, you damn idiots!

 

[traderjake]

I guess they don't need us then contrary to what Horton has said.

Show us where Horton said they need a merger with us to emerge from bankruptcy.

 

[Piedmont1984]

There he goes again....

American is suppose to make us whole for what we gave up in the past.

Conversely, we are being asked to make AA pilots' bankruptcy less painful. They keep their pension, they become part owners, they are at this very moment being compensated better than we, does this sit well with you?

 

[EastUS1]

Conversely, we are being asked to make AA pilots' bankruptcy less painful. They keep their pension, they become part owners, they are at this very moment being compensated better than we, does this sit well with you?

"...does this sit well with you?" Is it even possible that it can make ANY actual sense to anyone?

 

[EastUS1]

Oh, yes, pilots! We will gladly pay that back pay just as soon as we can get the computers reprogrammed to handle the payments. We called the speedy ACARS programmers away from their work of screwing with your times to get the pay computers up to speed.

Once that has taken place (we really have no time estimate for you...sorry), we will be making those back payments annually over the course of 25 years starting in 18 months.

You signed the MOU, you damn idiots!

Sigh!....Tut tut sir!...All we need do is Trust them to do "The right thing"....THAT'S always worked out so well, after all....Umm...Hasn't it?

The unbelieveably, left-wide-open language within this thing's...well...suffice it say that it's almost impossible for me to even accept that anything of the sort was ever offered up as a potentially ratifiable, legal agreement for services rendered.

 

[Phoenix]

....Is exactly what's taking place now. Kindly explain to any of us exactly why you and any concerned are, in your obvious estimation, worth far, far less than any AMR guy/gal, especially within the current conditions....?

Hey, hey, hey, hold on a cotton pickin' minute... APA and USAPA are both signing the same MOU so what's the big deal? It's their MOU and its our MOU, the same deal.. Right?

Never mind our new concessions and their new equity worth $100K. There are no differences, because it is the same MOU. Well, yeah OK there is that ONE little difference about $100K but what's it matter anyway? And I promise there are no other differences because DUI loves us too.

 

[fatherabraham]

Oh, yes, pilots! We will gladly pay that back pay just as soon as we can get the computers reprogrammed to handle the payments. We called the speedy ACARS programmers away from their work of screwing with your times to get the pay computers up to speed.

Once that has taken place (we really have no time estimate for you...sorry), we will be making those back payments annually over the course of 25 years starting in 18 months.

You signed the MOU, you damn idiots!

NYC,

Speaking of our computer brain trust , wonder if they've sold AMR on our state of art dos cat crew replacement for their web based system ?

FA

 

[Piedmont1984]

The one thing that I worry about, besides everything else that I worry about, is that in the event this MOU is voted down, will the association vigorously and aggressively use its leverage and pursue a defense of our CoC if necessary. Will Hummel lead such a charge? Or will this descend into another power struggle, recall attempt, delay, division, diversion and ultimate defeat?

We live in interesting times.

 

[EastUS1]

Hey, hey, hey, hold on a cotton pickin' minute... APA and USAPA are both signing the same MOU so what's the big deal? It's their MOU and its our MOU, the same deal.. Right?

Never mind our new concessions and their new equity worth $100K. There are no differences, because it is the same MOU. Well, yeah OK there is that ONE little difference about $100K but what's it matter anyway? And I promise there are no other differences because DUI loves us too.

Doubtless the true case sir, and I'm but being foolsihly recalcitrant here. Well....I've some admitted reservations about dear Mr. Parker's true sentiments though. Heck...even Wolf sent us a tin of cheese one Christmas!