Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

It's a timing issue. No one wants it to be tied up in court. Yes, there are billions of $$ involved, and more to be made with a viable, competitive, and larger AA that is sized to go up against DAL and UAL. The investors and management know the value of the union, but are trying to buy our cooperation for the lowest cost.

Read the MOU and AA contract. You are trading BK contract for BK contract, and Parker is laughing all the way to the bank.

Well put sir.

 

[traderjake]

Does your rhetoric equally apply to your loyal west sisters that share in the Profit Plan given away by your type of guy?

Yes, that was a bribe and it wasn't going to work.

I thought only idiots called people "sisters".

 

[fatherabraham]

Yes.

I thought only idiots called people "sisters".

Oooohhhh, ahhhhh. Wow.
Nice comeback sister

FA

 

[traderjake]

Nice comeback sister

"Confirm".

 

[luvthe9]

Oooohhhh, ahhhhh. Wow.
Nice comeback sister

FA

Let me correct you, nice comeback "WEAK" sister.

 

[Al Legheny]

Take a deep breath....Wind you watch... follow the procedure... and analyze the situaition.

1. PF - Maintain Aircraft Control
2. Identify the Non-normal
PM Cancel the Warning
3. Accomplish Immediate Action Items
5. Accomplish the Checklist
4. Captain Assigns PF



...We are being set up to go into a merger with a bankrupt airline without our own contract in place. Has it escaped anyone that the AA MOU has much better provisions in it for a bankrupt carrier than our own MOU from an airline that just posted record profits!

We have our wn contract in place it's called LOA 93. We cannot get antohter one unless we are taken off the shelf by the NMB. That will not happen until we agre to waive an almost 1 billion dollar claim for back pay and possbly agree to PBS. The BPR has decided not to do that for what ever reason.

Also the AA MOU is also the USAPA MOU and it is the AMR MOU and the US Airways MOU. IT is a 4 party document. It is the same document for all parties.

Are you willing to go into a merger with 2000 West and 10,000 AA pilots waiting to pick that fruit from the East tree? Look at the history of how seniority played out with AA merger partners in the past.

The MOU is very clear that the McKaskill Bond process will govern Seniority integration. That law did not govern other AA integations.

The company wants something from us that they can’t have without us giving it to them.

Ah yes, the famous change of control. Well first we have to wait for the arbitration. Then we have to win it. That will take over a year. Then we have to hope that APA doesn't vote it away and they will because the company will require them to do so to finalize the merger. We will then be tied up in court over a very weak DFR against APA. All this could be going on while we are still on LOA 93 and litigating.

It is a sure thing right....So was the large RJ grievance, the LOA 93 grievance and the 3% grievance. They were all sure bets. I haven't seen a nickle yet. We have had the change of control language for 14 years. It hasn't paid me a penny yet.
Did you know that change of control screws all the E190 pilots? They get nothing.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Is it realistic for a USAirways pilot to get paid for concessions made by an American pilot?

No, but we have never been adequately compensated for our concessions, and although that ship sailed some time ago in the form of ownership, I see the value and wisdom of pursuing some sort of restitution in present case.

How about the USAirways division of the New American Airlines gets parity with DAL and United today and the old AA division, just emerging from BK, catch up to us in 2016? Or at least, how about a head start? Or at the very least, how about some offsetting compensations in the MOU to bring us up to an equal, per capita, economic footing with APA retroactive to January 1. If this view seems impractical or unrealistic, I submit it's a symptom of being beaten down for too long.

 

[traderjake]

No, but we have never been adequately compensated for our concessions, and although that ship sailed some time ago in the form of ownership, I see the value and wisdom of pursuing some sort of restitution in present case.

So the American UCC is suppose to pay us for the concessions we made during another company's bankruptcy?

 

[EastUS1]

.... during another company's bankruptcy?

....Is exactly what's taking place now. Kindly explain to any of us exactly why you and any concerned are, in your obvious estimation, worth far, far less than any AMR guy/gal, especially within the current conditions....?

 

[traderjake]

How about the USAirways division of the New American Airlines gets parity with DAL and United today and the old AA division, just emerging from BK, catch up to us in 2016?

Is bankrupt company going to pay the same as a company that made $1.6 billion last year?

 

[luvthe9]

No, but we have never been adequately compensated for our concessions, and although that ship sailed some time ago in the form of ownership, I see the value and wisdom of pursuing some sort of restitution in present case.

How about the USAirways division of the New American Airlines gets parity with DAL and United today and the old AA division, just emerging from BK, catch up to us in 2016? Or at least, how about a head start? Or at the very least, how about some offsetting compensations in the MOU to bring us up to an equal, per capita, economic footing with APA retroactive to January 1. If this view seems impractical or unrealistic, I submit it's a symptom of being beaten down for too long.

Everyone except "Traitor" realizes this, he just can't seem to grasp this thought, must be low self-esteem or low self worth. This pilot group is not asking for the world just to be paid fairly. We saved this company twice, AWA and now AMR , LOA84/93 over the past 6 or 7 years has saved this company around 8 BILLION dollars, and what our we getting. NOT QUITE ENOUGH!!!!!. SO DON"T FALL FOR GARY'S DON"T LOOK IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR LOOK AHEAD CRAP.

 

[EastUS1]

Is bankrupt company going to pay the same as a company that made $1.6 billion last year?

Well, seems that the bankrupt company's ready to toss 100K to each of their pilots, and even a few pennies your way = 10K before taxes!....Wow! Be still my pounding heart! I guess you're happy with even just that gross disparity alone?

 

[Bill Brasky]

I've got to say, If what US pilots are getting is less than what AA pilots are getting, it's a travesty, especially in light of last year's record profits. A very compelling argument indeed. Does anyone have a comparison showing just what the AA pilots were offered, or a link to it?

 

[traderjake]

....Is exactly what's taking place now. Kindly explain to any of us exactly why you and all concerned are, in your obvious estimation, worth far, far less than any AMR guy/gal, especially within the current conditions....?

They are being compensated for concessions they are making now, just like the $35 million we got during our bankrurtcy.

Vote no if you want, see where that gets us.

I predict another year on LOA 93 and APA alone writes our next contract.

 

[Piedmont1984]

So the American UCC is suppose to pay us for the concessions we made during another company's bankruptcy?

They should compensate us for what we are worth to them in this multi billion transaction. So far the offer is below market value. Parker should have and could have addressed these issues before now.