Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

dca319 seems to have a problem with his hearing.......same as in when he chose not to hear Parker state that AWA would likely have been in BK in a few months without the merger.

breeze

"Would likely" isn't in bankruptcy. Sounds like you've got the selective hearing breeze.

 

[dca319]

7/20/2006
Doug Parker: What I do know for certain, because I was running the place, is that we didn't have enough money to make it through the winter of 2005-2006. WE HAD INSUFFICIENT FUNDS TO MAKE IT THROUGH! We could have possibly raised more funds...and made it through...and I'm not saying we wouldn't of...

Pilot ?: Even with loads at max capacity we didn't have cash to go through...

Parker: ABSOLUTELY NOT...NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Attribution?

"We could have possibly raised more funds...and made it through...and I'm not saying we wouldn't of... "

Sounds like they still had access to money if they had needed it. With Parker's history, he would probably have found it.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Gotta go. But briefly, what I am suggesting will take place during that dynamic period when USAPA is dissolved. Your point may be valid if the merger is nixxed and we continue our seniority dispute. But this new approach may have traction in the weeks ahead.

USAPA won't be "dissolved" until AFTER the seniority integration process. Read page 5 of the MOU.

Effective Date is day BK judge approves POR to merge AA/US) =ED

ED + 30 days APA & USAPA seniority integration protocol complete

ED + 60 days APA & USAPA direct negotiations complete

ED + 90days , no list, APA & USAPA select arbitrator panel

Arbitrator panel + 60 days arbitration commences between APA & USAPA (but not before JCBA)

ED + 180 days ( 6 months) to ED + 24 months ISL awarded.

That is the timeline under the MOU. USAPA will NOT be dissolved under the timeline and that is a separate issue in any case. Read the MOU.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Attribution?

"We could have possibly raised more funds...and made it through...and I'm not saying we wouldn't of... "

Sounds like they still had access to money if they had needed it. With Parker's history, he would probably have found it.

Listen carefully. "Raise more money". They didn't have access to SUFFICIENT money.

His history DID find it....by having Lakefield sell to various investors that if AWA merged with US Airways....MERGE.....he had a plan to save BOTH carriers. PERIOD.

There was no money AWA had to buy US Airways or ANY assets. Sure US Airways would have liquidated but AWA was in that very same danger within months of our liquidation. Chapter 11 leads to Chapter 7 if AWA couldn't (and wouldn't) get exit financing for a reorganized airline. And in any case AWA would have been significantly smaller, at BEST, if they could have....in short, maybe the life of a Frontier look alike.

That's not revisionist history, that's the truth. Not from the analyst position, but from management. Remember that they are the ones that have to sign the 10-K under the SEC.

 

[dca319]

All maybe's. Maybe they wouldn't have found money. Maybe they would have filed. Maybe they would have liquidated. Only concrete was we were done without this merger.

Wishful thinking on your part?

 

[end_of_alpa]

I have read the MOU and that's why I don't have the confidence that Nicolau won't be used. USAPA told us over and over again that Nicolau was all but dead because they were a new union and we saw how that turned out.

And if the arbitrators do use Nicolau, what is our recourse? There is none.

The arbitrators are constrained by what the unions present. Read my previous post, or better yet, read the NAC presentation.

USAPA and the APA (only those two) will determine to seniority integration "protocol" (probably pistols at 30 paces) with negotiations complete by ED + 90 days. No agreement, then arbitration. Period.

Not trying to be adversarial, but you guys DO have copies of these documents, don't you?

 

[end_of_alpa]

All maybe's. Maybe they wouldn't have found money. Maybe they would have filed. Maybe they would have liquidated. Only concrete was we were done without this merger.

Wishful thinking on your part?

Not at all. But Parker has been telling everyone that we were BOTH toast without the merger and that IS Parker's message. The bad things didn't happen (AWA BK/liquidation US Airways liquidation) because we DID merge and that is the point.

But let's get back to the original argument that AA was in BK and we had better financial prospects then they do. Why do you think all the AA labor unions believe the merger is in their best interests?
US Airways has the management
US Airways has profitable quarters
AA prospects as a "stand alone" leaves them to big to fail and to small to compete.

US Airways brings VALUE to them that they wouldn't have otherwise and these are strong arguments for us in any arbitration, whether the arbitrators listen or not, that is a separate issue.

USAPA's C&B says they must present a DOH list (which we have in our possession) or run afoul of LMRDA. Need the link to DOL?

 

[fatherabraham]

All,

Dca319 has posted 31 of last 96 post.
Anyone besides myself getting tired of this poser rationalizing the Nic besides me?
He slithers it into nearly every post.
Did all the westies hire this dude? For the most part I note they have been AWOL as of late.
Must be a westie transplant to DCA as he stated he was at NAC meeting on pg 306.
Go back to your hole you came from prior march 2012.

FA

 

[Metroyet]

The arbitrators are constrained by what the unions present. Read my previous post, or better yet, read the NAC presentation.

USAPA and the APA (only those two) will determine to seniority integration "protocol" (probably pistols at 30 paces) with negotiations complete by ED + 90 days. No agreement, then arbitration. Period.

Not trying to be adversarial, but you guys DO have copies of these documents, don't you?

Sleep tight...nothing to fear....USAPA has prevailed.

 

[A320 Driver]

Negative. Language says 2 go to AA, then one to LCC.

I stand corrected...thank you!

 

[Phoenix]

All,

Dca319 has posted 31 of last 96 post.
Anyone besides myself getting tired of this poser rationalizing the Nic besides me?
He slithers it into nearly every post.
Did all the westies hire this dude? For the most part I note they have been AWOL as of late.
Must be a westie transplant to DCA as he stated he was at NAC meeting on pg 306.
Go back to your hole you came from prior march 2012.

FA

Where is our beloved Move2CLT? Has he died and been resurrected as a kindler, more gentle (gentile? ) poser?

 

[A320 Driver]

Where is our beloved Move2CLT? Has he died and been resurrected as a kindler, more gentle (gentile? ) poser?

Maybe he is on one of his missions to Dallas as a subject matter expert for the APA.

 

[Black Swan]

dca319 seems to have a problem with his hearing.......same as in when he chose not to hear Parker state that AWA would likely have been in BK in a few months without the merger.

breeze

DCA 319 is another one who never got the message the 9th ruled and Silver. They trump Parker.
No on the MOU. It has to have the exact rewards as an AA pilot or it gets a thumbs down. It doesn't. It is a matter of principle. ALL I WANT, is exactly what a bankrupt AA pilot is getting......

 

[Black Swan]

Where is our beloved Move2CLT? Has he died and been resurrected as a kindler, more gentle (gentile? ) poser?

Where is our beloved Move2CLT? Has he died and been resurrected as a kindler, more gentle (gentile? ) poser?

He started as AWA 320, Moved2Clt , then imagined a move to DCA319.

 

[fatherabraham]

DCA 319 is another one who never got the message the 9th ruled and Silver. They trump Parker.
No on the MOU. It has to have the exact rewards as an AA pilot or it gets a thumbs down. It doesn't. It is a matter of principle.

BS,

My step parents confided in me that the mou is what I deserve, regardless of my red hair turned gray.
That said.........I'm leaning 90% toward a NO vote. Just haven't pulled the trigger until I personally witness the NAC show.

FA