Well written and I agree with your opinions. At the very least, CLT will know that every step they make will be scrutinized until USAPA is decertified. As for the MOU, I'll admit its not perfect but I'll also admit there's little to nothing we can do about it. What we can do is vote yes, strap into that 5-point harness, and take the ride. At least we'll be making more money during the ride. And as part of the APA, hopefully we'll have the leverage as a bigger pilot group to correct whatever deficiencies we do find.
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Well written and I agree with your opinions. At the very least, CLT will know that every step they make will be scrutinized until USAPA is decertified. As for the MOU, I'll admit its not perfect but I'll also admit there's little to nothing we can do about it. What we can do is vote yes, strap into that 5-point harness, and take the ride. At least we'll be making more money during the ride. And as part of the APA, hopefully we'll have the leverage as a bigger pilot group to correct whatever deficiencies we do find.
Dodging what breeze?
After this merger and how irrelevant CoC was, I don't know how anyone can assign it ANY value at all.
Well written as well.
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Just curious, but I understand you don't like them. But they DID deliver (CLT, 2 PHL reps) a VERY favorable increase in the new MOU. That's right, they held out AND GOT more. When are the terms of the reps over and what purpose will it serve at this point to recall them now and venture into the unknown.
As you know Woody was a big supporter of the present leadership yet he just told me he is against the MOU (as you read here) and the leadership.
I'm just asking questions, not throwing hand grenades.
I apologize General if I insulted you with the "Major" thing. I understand you have an ego to uphold. And as for "braying", I suggest you read your own posts first before you start assigning that word to others. Your not only an egomaniac but a hypocrite as well.
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I think you need only look to the flight attendants for that answer.
Us airways was looking for....what....400 and got apps for 22,000.
American pilots have plenty of furloughed pilots and the rest WILL come from somewhere. They won't have a problem getting time from 250 to 1500 hours. Flight training as a time builder will still be available if you hurry up, start and get in at the front of the hiring push.
I'm teaching several right now, including my son. That hole in the water your hand is in will fill easy enough.
Hook, line, AND sinker Jamie? You believe they did that all by themselves because they wrote it in an email?
With the recent recalls, fewer than 600 AA pilots haven't been offered recall. Many are already in the left seat at SW, UPS, Airtran, and quite a few have gone elsewhere outside the industry
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Good info. I still am reticent to think the pilot shortage, at least for the Majors, will be much of an issue.
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Meanwhile back at the SLI ranch, recently I've heard this idea being circulated. If a pre-nup type seniority regime is not mutually agreed to between USAPA and APA, USAPA then submits two seniority lists to be adjudicated by the M/B process. USAPA then provides funds and/or legal representation for the PHX domicile in order that they may separately and independantly pursue whatever seniority regime they deem fit - including the NIC. Thereby, USAPA fullfills its DFR obligation to the west and the west is free to pursue whatever goal under M/B which the deem appropriate. Of course, the risk for the east is that the west prevails and are granted the NIC by the M/B arbitration board. But the strategy is the risk is small and USAPA dodges the DFR bullet by paying for west attorneys.
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The Recall Committee is going to present more data the day after the CLT NAC presentation ends.
The MOU is the #1 priority.
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Guess no good deed goes unpunished. I guess we all will know when the details of the minutes of the closed BPR meeting are revealed. Not sure why it's going to matter anyway.
You obviously know who I am. Who are YOU?
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Rowland Wilder was asked during the meetings regarding the first MOU if there was more on the table and he said then that it was a possibility. They were calling Kirby on the phone and getting clarifications while we were sitting there. Personally, I think that APA getting a better contract and getting involved with the negotiations gave us the better deal on the MOU. At the time we were looking at MOU 1, APA had none of those things. All the BPR did was failed to recommend a YES vote (crickets in the room)...and then Parker pulled it off the table and the NDA kicked in. Much happened in DFW after that. You can call it wisdom or luck or whatever, but I really think the APA did the heavy lifting that gave us the improvements to the MOU. Regardless, the CLT reps will capitalize on what just transpired. If the recall fails, I hope the CLT reps don't look at it as license to do something stupid. But that is the nature of the beast sometimes (national politics being a perfect example). I don't feel like you lobbed a grenade. This dialog and debate is a truly healthy thing IMO.
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