Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

How many would never upgarde because of the NIC, think about it.

How many would have upgraded without the merger?

How many would not upgrade even stand alone?

The number that will not upgrade because of Nicolau is very small. The number harmed because of the small number of selfish F/O's? Much much bigger.

 

[Ames]

Good, so now every West scab I see I can just say kiss my a$$. Since you all feel that way then please do not bid East . LOL. You Westoffs really are full of yourselves.

Did you ever notice that most west pilots will look you in the eye when passing by? Probably not because none of you will meet our gaze. Try looking us in the eye. What you will see in our eyes is us saying "kiss my ass". We have been saying it to you for nearly six years but most of you are too weak to notice.

 

[Ames]

He's a westie pretending to be an East pilot.

...and you're a dipshit pretending to be smart.

 

[luvthe9]

Says the guy with a picture of a disgraced East pilot for his avatar.

Oooooohhh, that's rich Danny boy. Where is your friend Move2 to aka JJ?

 

[luvthe9]

How many would have upgraded without the merger?

How many would not upgrade even stand alone?

The number that will not upgrade because of Nicolau is very small. The number harmed because of the small number of selfish F/O's? Much much bigger.

Seems to me if it were that easy there would not have been such a fuss, selfish F/Os your talking about your west friends right.

 

[Claxon]

The DFR threat hasn't disappeared. The company hasn't gotten an answer regarding its liability should it accept anything other than the Nicolau. Silver spelled it out to us about a LUP. I haven't heard a legitimate LUP from my reps or anyone else from the BPR. And the west has merit minus ripeness. They'll have ripeness soon enough too. If you were the APA and the company and wanted to avoid litigation, wouldn't you avoid the case that has been proven to have merit? I would.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)

Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

 

[Claxon]

A fact of life with the Nicolau. Our position would not have been much different with the Nicolau in place and we would have been better off financially.

West flight attendants have not had a contract since 1999. The mechanics are two years past their amendable date. American, Ual, took years to get their deal.

The america west scabs think they could have helped the East. The pilots at other airlines have been watching.

 

[Claxon]

Did you ever notice that most west pilots will look you in the eye when passing by? Probably not because none of you will meet our gaze. Try looking us in the eye. What you will see in our eyes is us saying "kiss my ass". We have been saying it to you for nearly six years but most of you are too weak to notice.

No hiring in the west through 2013 and beyond.

Nicolau equals Elvis, they are both dead, get over it.

 

[Claxon]

You west guys can always go back down under.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[traderjake]

You west guys can always go back down under.

You really need to get a job, or a hobby, or a dog.

Anything to get off the computer and out of your Mom's basement.

 

[Claxon]

You really need to get a job, or a hobby, or a dog.

Anything to get off the computer and out of your Mom's basement.

Says the pilot who's dad paid for his college, paid for his flying and got him a job at a major airline.

I am the messenger, other airline pilots know about the west, me included.

 

[dca319]

Your dead wrong don't need to look it up, sorry.

And there you have it.

 

[Claxon]

Resolution passed 08-15-07
WHEREAS this September will mark two years since the merger between US Airways and America West Airlines, and
WHEREAS US Airways management has benefited from scope relief granted by the US Airways pilots allowing the use of the US Airways marketing identity on America West flights for nearly two years, and
WHEREAS there has been little substantial economic progress made during Joint Negotiations for both pilot groups, and
WHEREAS there has been a disparity of pay between the pilot groups since the onset of the US Airways and America West merger, and
WHEREAS this disparity between the two pilot groups has increased due to the recalling of US Airways furloughed pilots that are not at top of scale, and
WHEREAS the America West Pilots received the support of the US Airways pilots in dealings with management that culminated in the America West pilots successfully achieving substantial gains in the areas of Defined Contribution Retirement Plan and Corporate Profit Sharing Plan, and
WHEREAS since the US Airways and America West Merger, management has seen fit to grant other employees pay and parity raises throughout the corporation, and
WHEREAS US Airways management continues to reward themselves with lucrative compensation packages, and
WHEREAS the profits are reported separately for US Airways and America West by the company, and they indicate an extreme disproportionate profit generated from the East operation resulting in East profits disportionately funding items such as West profit sharing plans, other employee raises and executive compensation packages and
WHEREAS the Transition Agreement envisioned substantial progress being made by June of 2006, and
WHEREAS Management has intentionally manipulated the timeline and slowed the progress of the JNC process, in particular during it's ill conceived hostile takeover attempt of Delta Airlines, and
WHEREAS during that failed Delta Airline Takeover attempt, management clearly promised that all pilots would be brought up to the highest contract of the three pilot groups, and
WHEREAS CEO Doug Parker on July 26, 2007 during the 2nd Quarter Report publicly stated that US Airways has already budgeted 122 million dollars for 2007 and beyond for the assumed cost of matching US Airways pilots pay with America West pilot pay plus an additional three percent, and
WHEREAS also during this same public forum CEO Doug Parker declared that employees performing the same work should be paid at the same level of pay, and
WHEREAS the expense of continued fruitless negotiation is not in the best interest of the US Airways East pilots.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC immediately reassign our members of the JNC back to Negotiating Committee duties, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that our members of the JNC will not reengage in Joint Contract Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at America West, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that parity is defined as pay as put forth to the company in our June 28th proposal, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That retro pay for all US Airways pilots will take affect starting September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future agreements, and
THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the US Airways MEC authorizes a media campaign, including but not limited to informational picketing and other forms of lawful demonstrations, in order to inform the traveling public of the un-American pay discrimination that the professional union pilots at US Airways have been enduring for the last two years.

 

[dca319]

The america west scabs think they could have helped the East. The pilots at other airlines have been watching.

No they don't think that. Pilots like Jamie think that.

 

[dca319]

Resolution passed 08-15-07
WHEREAS this September will mark two years since the merger between US Airways and America West Airlines, and
WHEREAS US Airways management has benefited from scope relief granted by the US Airways pilots allowing the use of the US Airways marketing identity on America West flights for nearly two years, and
WHEREAS there has been little substantial economic progress made during Joint Negotiations for both pilot groups, and
WHEREAS there has been a disparity of pay between the pilot groups since the onset of the US Airways and America West merger, and
WHEREAS this disparity between the two pilot groups has increased due to the recalling of US Airways furloughed pilots that are not at top of scale, and
WHEREAS the America West Pilots received the support of the US Airways pilots in dealings with management that culminated in the America West pilots successfully achieving substantial gains in the areas of Defined Contribution Retirement Plan and Corporate Profit Sharing Plan, and
WHEREAS since the US Airways and America West Merger, management has seen fit to grant other employees pay and parity raises throughout the corporation, and
WHEREAS US Airways management continues to reward themselves with lucrative compensation packages, and
WHEREAS the profits are reported separately for US Airways and America West by the company, and they indicate an extreme disproportionate profit generated from the East operation resulting in East profits disportionately funding items such as West profit sharing plans, other employee raises and executive compensation packages and
WHEREAS the Transition Agreement envisioned substantial progress being made by June of 2006, and
WHEREAS Management has intentionally manipulated the timeline and slowed the progress of the JNC process, in particular during it's ill conceived hostile takeover attempt of Delta Airlines, and
WHEREAS during that failed Delta Airline Takeover attempt, management clearly promised that all pilots would be brought up to the highest contract of the three pilot groups, and
WHEREAS CEO Doug Parker on July 26, 2007 during the 2nd Quarter Report publicly stated that US Airways has already budgeted 122 million dollars for 2007 and beyond for the assumed cost of matching US Airways pilots pay with America West pilot pay plus an additional three percent, and
WHEREAS also during this same public forum CEO Doug Parker declared that employees performing the same work should be paid at the same level of pay, and
WHEREAS the expense of continued fruitless negotiation is not in the best interest of the US Airways East pilots.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the AAA MEC immediately reassign our members of the JNC back to Negotiating Committee duties, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that our members of the JNC will not reengage in Joint Contract Negotiations until the US Airways Pilots are provided parity with our Brother and Sister pilots at America West, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that parity is defined as pay as put forth to the company in our June 28th proposal, and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED That retro pay for all US Airways pilots will take affect starting September 1, 2007, including a fair interest charge of 8% that will be calculated onto any future agreements, and
THEREFORE BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that the US Airways MEC authorizes a media campaign, including but not limited to informational picketing and other forms of lawful demonstrations, in order to inform the traveling public of the un-American pay discrimination that the professional union pilots at US Airways have been enduring for the last two years.

Again, propaganda we wrote to blame others for our incompetence.