Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Thanksto the CLT reps and the two PHL reps for a little extra......

...................................................................................................crumbs for the little mice.

 

[luvthe9]

[font=Calibri']Gentlemen,[/font]



[font=Calibri']“May you live in interesting times”. It sounds like a blessing, but it is actually a curse, supposedly a Chinese curse. However, the exact origin of the phrase is unknown. The MOU contains many good things to enhance our careers – a blessing. The money is nice. But…… there are parts of the MOU that concern me – a curse.[/font]

[font=Calibri']In reading some of the emails that are circulating concerning the MOU, I find that many of my fellow USAPA brethren express what I also feel. [/font]

[font=Calibri']Why do we not gain the benefits of the MOU immediately upon ratification as do our AA brethren. [/font][font=Calibri']Why do we have to wait until the ‘effective date’. Yes, we get retroactive pay but in the meantime, we stay at our bottom feeder bankruptcy wages with a 10% DC contribution instead of 14% at AA pay rates. When will the effective date occur, June or a year later?[/font]

[font=Calibri']Vague language within the MOU is concerning. [/font][font=Calibri'] For example, paragraph 4: “It is the intent of the parties…”; “Parties further understand that it will take some period of time for those items to be implemented.”; and “each term of the MTA shall be applicable to all USAirways pilots at the earliest practicable time for each such term”. What! We need specifics, not items that can be exploited. Haven’t we been beaten enough in the past with loopholes?[/font]

[font=Calibri']Paragraph 14: Signing away scope!, as of the effective date of the POR. Why would we do that especially without a JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement) and merged seniority list?[/font]

[font=Calibri']A $40 million signing bonus. Really?!? That is all we are worth after years of operating under a bankruptcy contract and a terminated DB plan? $40mil is insulting. [/font][font=Calibri']The AA pilots were smart enough to get their DB plan frozen. For round numbers I am guessing each one on average has $½mil. We will never get anything close but $40Mil doesn’t adequately reward us for our sacrifices. We did a lot to get our company to be in a position for this merger. Plus, the AA pilots get 13.5% equity stake in the form of unrestricted stock! We get……..?[/font]

[font=Calibri']The big hammer. We are being led to believe that if we do not approve this MOU, the merger will proceed without us. In view of our existing Scope, I do not think so!!! Even the Flight Plan for a Merger in the ‘What happens if MOU is not approved’ section offers a big hint. Our advisors say we would have an arguable grievance. The AA guys did not settle for the first MOU offered. Improvements were made. We too need to have some gonads and we don’t even need big ones. We finally have some leverage guys. [/font]

[font=Calibri']There are areas of the MOU as it applies to USAirways pilots that need IMPROVEMENT! If we are going to be onboard with this merger, we need immediate equity with our AA brethren, not some future moving date along with vague intents and earliest practicable times.[/font]

[font=Calibri']Our NAC has done a great job so far. Let’s finish with some ideas for tweaking from the rank and file.[/font]

[font=Calibri']The MOU, as it stands, receives a “no” from me.[/font]

 

[end_of_alpa]

If by the "Piedmont Principle" you mean that a guy who can hold Captain on an airplane is senior to a guy who can't, it is indeed alive and well as demonstrated by the last four pilot seniority arbitrations.

Nicolau doesn't tell me what the FARs are, the FAA does and that is the only law I conform to.

Again, I've proven you wrong by the law Silver said.

Enjoy your juniority, "Son of Piedmont".

 

[traderjake]

http://www.forbes.co...artner=yahootix How US Airways Pilot Leaders Found Their Way to Unanimously Back Merger Deal

Funny how Ted forgot to mention the on going recall election of 3 of the US Airways Pilot Leaders.

 

[traderjake]

Enjoy your juniority, "Son of Piedmont".

I'm senior to you and when this is over all the America West Captains will be too.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Not a cheerleader by any stretch but I am realistic. If you want to stay on LOA 93 and its worth it to you, you're choice. I've already voted for the MOU. Its funny when you look at it. Take Glynn for instance. He's a junior 737 CO now and will be until he retires. On the Nicolau, he would have ended up a junior 737 CO, just as he is now, but with a few $100K more in pay and retirement.

We sure showed them. And I don't believe this will be even remotely close so we'll have to drag you into this kicking and screaming.

The DFR threat hasn't disappeared. The company hasn't gotten an answer regarding its liability should it accept anything other than the Nicolau. Silver spelled it out to us about a LUP. I haven't heard a legitimate LUP from my reps or anyone else from the BPR. And the west has merit minus ripeness. They'll have ripeness soon enough too. If you were the APA and the company and wanted to avoid litigation, wouldn't you avoid the case that has been proven to have merit? I would.

NOT A CHEERLEADER! BS, BTW you aint realistic either, It is funny, look at yourself and don't reflect to others(a sure sign of a lack of selfworth and esteem), The WEST has merit BTW the minus the 9th circuit and SIVER, A LUP was not on trial! A quick way to avoid litigation, emerge standalone and AWA AKA west , SOLD! With an EAST ASSET AQUISITION! Take a good look at HORTON'S vision new paint job, Where was DUI?

 

[end_of_alpa]

I'm senior to you, and always will be.

Pull your arm out of that bucket of water and see how fast you'll be missed and passed over.

 

[luvthe9]

I'm senior to you and when this is over all the America West Captains will be too.

The lowest of the lows, simply pitiful.

 

[A320 Driver]

http://www.forbes.co...artner=yahootix How US Airways Pilot Leaders Found Their Way to Unanimously Back Merger Deal

Thanks to the CLT reps and the two PHL reps for a little extra.

Not a fan...sorry. No stay for that bunch.

 

[luvthe9]

Not a fan...sorry. No stay for that bunch.

Will see. Not much luv for your Munn ALPO loving group in CLT, but try if you will.

 

[dca319]

NOT A CHEERLEADER! BS, BTW you aint realistic either, It is funny, look at yourself and don't reflect to others(a sure sign of a lack of selfworth and esteem), The WEST has merit BTW the minus the 9th circuit and SIVER, A LUP was not on trial! A quick way to avoid litigation, emerge standalone and AWA AKA west , SOLD! With an EAST ASSET AQUISITION! Take a good look at HORTON'S vision new paint job, Where was DUI?

That was all pretty stupid.

You are now on ignore.

 

[dca319]

The lowest of the lows, simply pitiful.

A fact of life with the Nicolau. Our position would not have been much different with the Nicolau in place and we would have been better off financially.

 

[traderjake]

Pull your arm out of that bucket of water and see how fast you'll be missed and passed over.

Missed by an unethical person like you?

Should cry now or later.

Or passed over like you were during that election.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Will see. Not much luv for your Munn ALPO loving group in CLT, but try if you will.

Munn is bat#### crazy! One would think after being sent by the company to the 'no pay cornfield' that one would stay offline. You have to wonder about one's stability when they don't get it.

Later,
Eye

 

[dca319]

[font=Calibri']Gentlemen,[/font]



[font=Calibri']“May you live in interesting times”. It sounds like a blessing, but it is actually a curse, supposedly a Chinese curse. However, the exact origin of the phrase is unknown. The MOU contains many good things to enhance our careers – a blessing. The money is nice. But…… there are parts of the MOU that concern me – a curse.[/font]

[font=Calibri']In reading some of the emails that are circulating concerning the MOU, I find that many of my fellow USAPA brethren express what I also feel. [/font]

[font=Calibri']Why do we not gain the benefits of the MOU immediately upon ratification as do our AA brethren. [/font][font=Calibri']Why do we have to wait until the ‘effective date’. Yes, we get retroactive pay but in the meantime, we stay at our bottom feeder bankruptcy wages with a 10% DC contribution instead of 14% at AA pay rates. When will the effective date occur, June or a year later?[/font]

[font=Calibri']Vague language within the MOU is concerning. [/font][font=Calibri'] For example, paragraph 4: “It is the intent of the parties…”; “Parties further understand that it will take some period of time for those items to be implemented.”; and “each term of the MTA shall be applicable to all USAirways pilots at the earliest practicable time for each such term”. What! We need specifics, not items that can be exploited. Haven’t we been beaten enough in the past with loopholes?[/font]

[font=Calibri']Paragraph 14: Signing away scope!, as of the effective date of the POR. Why would we do that especially without a JCBA (Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement) and merged seniority list?[/font]

[font=Calibri']A $40 million signing bonus. Really?!? That is all we are worth after years of operating under a bankruptcy contract and a terminated DB plan? $40mil is insulting. [/font][font=Calibri']The AA pilots were smart enough to get their DB plan frozen. For round numbers I am guessing each one on average has $½mil. We will never get anything close but $40Mil doesn’t adequately reward us for our sacrifices. We did a lot to get our company to be in a position for this merger. Plus, the AA pilots get 13.5% equity stake in the form of unrestricted stock! We get……..?[/font]

[font=Calibri']The big hammer. We are being led to believe that if we do not approve this MOU, the merger will proceed without us. In view of our existing Scope, I do not think so!!! Even the Flight Plan for a Merger in the ‘What happens if MOU is not approved’ section offers a big hint. Our advisors say we would have an arguable grievance. The AA guys did not settle for the first MOU offered. Improvements were made. We too need to have some gonads and we don’t even need big ones. We finally have some leverage guys. [/font]

[font=Calibri']There are areas of the MOU as it applies to USAirways pilots that need IMPROVEMENT! If we are going to be onboard with this merger, we need immediate equity with our AA brethren, not some future moving date along with vague intents and earliest practicable times.[/font]

[font=Calibri']Our NAC has done a great job so far. Let’s finish with some ideas for tweaking from the rank and file.[/font]

[font=Calibri']The MOU, as it stands, receives a “no” from me.[/font]

Anyone remember what hammer we used for LOA 93? Remember that hammer we used that got the injunction filed against us? What other hammers do we have again? We couldn't even get snapbacks and you think we have a hammer for a better MOU?