Cwa To Discuss Giving Away Your Seniorty

[OldGuyinPA]

Bull..

Date of hire or get lost........

 

[drifterreno]

Quote "Why should the AWA folks take it in the chops because they work for a younger company?"

What a stupid question …..Better question, why should a 20 year airline agent bid behind a 10 year airline agent? And why should a CWA member give up language he/she fought hard for....“100% seniority in merger or takeover.
Plus IV been paying union dues for years and like barbeetantrums posted... “The Teamsters local for AWA CSRs and reservations doesn't even have a contract. They decided they didn't need one until the very end. They farted around. I was one of the AWA fleet service that went around pestering them about voting for representation. They didn't care. They could do without a union.â€￾

[post="292498"][/post]​

excuse me but do you not remember that it took u 3x to vote in the union??? who was messing around. And our CEO is a lot different than yours ever were

 

[tadjr]

excuse me but do you not remember that it took u 3x to vote in the union??? who was messing around. And our CEO is a lot different than yours ever were

[post="292941"][/post]​

Guess US just got smarter a little earlier than the HP people ( notice the pay scales?).
Also, the top guy isnt always the one you have to watch out for. Did you see Dougs name on the list of people at the meeting? Now maybe we know why he is bringing some of the juniors over from US. They arent done yet! :down:

 

[deltawatch]

Someone posted that US was more doomed than AWA, wrong. Without this merger Southwest would have used there huge east coast presents to crush AWA within 5 years. So this merger is a 50-50 thing. Neither company would have made it on there own.

Thank-you CWA for standing by our contract language! Don't budge!

 

[osunut]

"Why should the 10 year guy have to work weekend nights because his/her healthy airline merged with US (on death's door)?"

Because the union at the "death's door airline" has a contract that says if a healthy or unhealthy airline buys them, their seniority must be honored, 100% by the combined company, or there can be no deal. Any other questions?

[post="292510"][/post]​

That is not entierly true. Everything is on the table, especailly in a situation like this. The both unions & the company can negociate to change everything in the contact if they so like.
Remember, everything is on the table, everything.....

 

[osunut]

Part of the reason that HP is so junior is not because it is a "new" airline. It's because HP didn't think enough of the employees to pay them airline "standard" wages, or they couldn't afford it. It seems that they didn't want the employees to stick it out for 10 years or so until top out where most airlines provided a livable wage for a time. There was no future, so why stay.
It is customary in the aviation industry that seniority is a benifit. It is supposed to have weight. With most airlines it has everything to do with the individuals lot in the company. HP denied that weight to their employees in such a fashion. "Merit raises" and boarding priority by time of checkin are but a couple of examples. I must admit I dont understand all of inner workings of employee seniority at HP.
Seniority is defined by Websters as : "Priority over others by reason of service" It is not the easiest thing in the world to achieve total fairness, however, it cannot be stressed enough, that for the good of the company, that adherence to the policies that preserve seniority as it is defined and is customary.
For what it's worth.

[post="292530"][/post]​

What a bunch of lies.....your post has no factual base other than opinion. There are several ppl, including myself, that have worked up fromthe bottom. BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO. Others always blame someone else for their misery.
Please provide facts about this, such as exit survey results, employee surveys, etc... don't make assumptions please.

 

[osunut]

That won't happen, the company has to prove under section 1113 c that a whole contract abrogation is necessary in order to emerge from bankruptcy, and I seriously doubt seniority intergration would cause that.

And it will be Date of Hire, watch, wait and see.

And if you are a CSA or RES at HP, you have no contract and will follow what is in the CWA agreement.

Not true....once the NMB says that there is "one" airline both unions (CWA and IBT) can then petition the NMB for a vote. At that point the vote will be done and their will be one surviving union. The losing union will still have representation for intergration for its respective workgroup. The CWA contract can be amendend. Just because HP doesn't have a contract doesn't mean they don't have a say.
The US Airways folks ALL HAVE Allegheny/Mohawk Labor Protection Provisions.  And all the US Airways mergers over the years have been Date of Hire.

And Remember HP is not buying US the investors are, just a few short months ago HP said they would run out of cash.

Not ture again. HP stated that if the current market conditions continue they will have cash issues below their desired expectations. But, this is fluid depending on what options are availible for them at the time.

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[deltawatch]

If you want see an uglier merger than the US Air - Piedmont Airlines one, break the CWA contract and go with something other than DOH....

 

[drifterreno]

Breastfeeding?

[post="292621"][/post]​

thanks good to feel young---again hehehe

 

[diogenes]

excuse me but do you not remember that it took u 3x to vote in the union??? who was messing around. And our CEO is a lot different than yours ever were

[post="292941"][/post]​

With all due respect, Doug could step in front of a bus tomorrow.

Take a good look at some of the senior folks coming from U.

God help you if they take over.

Better get it in writing.

Plus, if I'm reading the tea leaves right, Doug is leaving himself some wiggle room for further concessions, and he has a hatchet man/fall guy waiting in the wings.

 

[REACC1]

What a bunch of lies.....your post has no factual base other than opinion.  There are several ppl, including myself, that have worked up fromthe bottom.  BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO.  Others always blame someone else for their misery.
Please provide facts about this, such as exit survey results, employee surveys, etc... don't make assumptions please.

[post="292963"][/post]​

Proof? Ok, you have a thread discussing seinority integration. (it means something to someone) Therefore it has value.(it is important to some people).
America West is not a new airline, around 20 years in existance. Why would the employees be so junior? Have they expanded recently? Sure, just a presumption on my part. Been thru a merger before? I have, seniority is an issue. Customary compensation policies at hp? Most carriers have yearly hourly wage increases based on time (ie:seniority)
It is an opinion. It is a message board. I can make assumptions the same as you.
Who is blaming someone else for their misery? Never said I was miserable in this thread. I started at 6.25/hr sonny, and that was great pay at the time.
You "chose to". Ok, maybe you dont have to feed a familly, and enjoy the job because its fun for you, whatever.(another "lie" on my part.)Oh and the disclaimer on the bottom, (for what its worth) what the h*** did you think I was trying to sell you?
Which one was a "lie", the websters definition? Look it up.

 

[700UW]

osunut,

You are wrong.

The NMB will only order an election if one group is at least 35% of the combined workforce, otherwise there will not be an election.

The CWA contract is not amendable till 2009 at the earliest.

And HP earlier this year said it was running low on cash and would have a cash crisis at the end of the year.

Don't let the facts get in your way.

 

[Columbia blue]

And HP earlier this year said it was running low on cash and would have a cash crisis at the end of the year.

And Parker also stated that if a cash crisis occured, he was'nt all that worried about it because HP would have no problem raising cash if they needed to. You forgot to add that part of it.

 

[luvn737s]

So aside from alot of foot-stomping and scowling, what viable recourse do U employees have to get their way? A strike? A generous judge?

DOH is an extreme view that won't fly. What compromise will?

Remember, the New U will not resemble the old in any way, so it's time for some creative thinking.

Without a merger, the bottom guy at either airline would get furloughed. Their respective risk shouldn't change because of the merger.

 

[700UW]

And Parker also stated that if a cash crisis occured, he was'nt all that worried about it because HP would have no problem raising cash if they needed to.  You forgot to add that part of it.

[post="293131"][/post]​

No where did I read that part.

And remember you have an ATSB loan out there, I really find it hard to believe they would let you borrow more when their loan is not paid off.

And if HP would have such an easy time raising money, why did they have to bribe Airbus and Air Canada who will see a huge profit because of selling planes and maintenance services back to the new US Airways?

Why did no bank step up to lend money?

Why did they have to sell assets in order to get people to invest?

Why did Air Wisconsin get 90% of the 50 seat RJ flying for their investmet?

Shall I continue?

Go look at UAL they just got $3 billion in exit financing from banks and did not have to sell their assets or buy good or services to get it.