CWA Files for Representation Election

[john john]

Tell you what, why don't you just post proof that the NMB is considering an election?

You sure are out of touch with the process and AA tactics in voting for a union.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120315/LABOR_UNIONS/120319931#ixzz1pI2TM2SF

before American Airlines and its parent AMR Corp. filed for bankruptcy in November, the workers petitioned for a union election with the National Mediation Board, which has jurisdiction over transportation workers. The Communications Workers of America and the airline are sparring over the makeup of the bargaining unit and an election date has yet to be set. But in the meantime, union officials came up with a strategy to protect the workers who may soon become members of their organization

 

[737823]

Any update here john john?

Josh

 

[frontline]

You sure are out of touch with the process and AA tactics in voting for a union.
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20120315/LABOR_UNIONS/120319931#ixzz1pI2TM2SF

before American Airlines and its parent AMR Corp. filed for bankruptcy in November, the workers petitioned for a union election with the National Mediation Board, which has jurisdiction over transportation workers. The Communications Workers of America and the airline are sparring over the makeup of the bargaining unit and an election date has yet to be set. But in the meantime, union officials came up with a strategy to protect the workers who may soon become members of their organization

I don't think that's right. They filed for an election AFTER the company filed Chapter 11.

 

[eolesen]

I don't think that's right. They filed for an election AFTER the company filed Chapter 11.

I'm beginning to doubt that. Crew schedulers & planners just submitted cards for an election, which is showing on the NMB docket (linked in my post from a few months back) as a representation election. And still nothing at all from the CWA. Even if they were still going thru the cards and figuring out who comprised the class, I seem to recall there'd be something on the docket.

 

[john john]

Your still avoiding the questions I asked of you and explain under the bankruptcy laws how a union can represent a group of non-union employees when they are not their certified bargaining unit nor do they have a CBA?

http://apsa6001.org/?p=563
The National Mediation Board will mail out the voting instructions on May 17, and will count the votes and announce the results at 2 p.m. on Thursday, June 19. But CWA is urging supporters to vote as soon as they get their instructions. This is our future, and we can’t afford to delay.
in bankruptcy court, meanwhile, the judge has delayed until May 10 our Ad Hoc Committee request for a temporary injunction to prevent the company from changing agents’ working conditions until after the representation election. Next week the court will focus on Section 1113 hearings on negotiations for unionized employees.

 

[700UW]

http://apsa6001.org/?p=563
The National Mediation Board will mail out the voting instructions on May 17, and will count the votes and announce the results at 2 p.m. on Thursday, June 19. But CWA is urging supporters to vote as soon as they get their instructions. This is our future, and we can’t afford to delay.
in bankruptcy court, meanwhile, the judge has delayed until May 10 our Ad Hoc Committee request for a temporary injunction to prevent the company from changing agents’ working conditions until after the representation election. Next week the court will focus on Section 1113 hearings on negotiations for unionized employees.

And where does your usual copy and paste job say the CWA is representing the non-union agents?

 

[john john]

I'm beginning to doubt that. Crew schedulers & planners just submitted cards for an election, which is showing on the NMB docket (linked in my post from a few months back) as a representation election. And still nothing at all from the CWA. Even if they were still going thru the cards and figuring out who comprised the class, I seem to recall there'd be something on the docket.

http://apsa6001.org/?p=652

The excitement was palpable May 2 as hundreds of American Airlines agents joined in a nationwide town hall conference call to hear news about the upcoming representation election and to prepare for an important bankruptcy court hearing in New York City May 10.
“We have seen that a union can make a difference,” he said. “The Transport Workers Union got the company to move from its original proposal because they had a seat at the table. That’s why the company is fighting so hard to keep us from getting a seat. We need a strong voice of our own.”


The National Mediation Board will mail out voting instructions May 17 to the addresses of agents provided by the company, and electronic voting by phone or Internet will be conducted up until June 19, when the votes will be counted. Sample instructions will be sent by the NMB on May 10, so agents will know what they’re looking for. For more information, see the Election page.
http://apsa6001.org/?page_id=602

Your still avoiding the questions I asked of you and explain under the bankruptcy laws how a union can represent a group of non-union employees when they are not their certified bargaining unit nor do they have a CBA?

Let me give you a hint, they cant.

May 10 is also the date for the bankruptcy court to hear a motion filed by attorneys for the Ad Hoc Committee for Passenger Service Agents to block the company from implementing its announced changes until after the representation election.

 

[700UW]

Well lookie here

AA files lawsuit to stop CWA election

Ad Hoc Committee is not the CWA.

 

[BoeingBoy]

May 10 is also the date for the bankruptcy court to hear a motion filed by attorneys for the Ad Hoc Committee for Passenger Service Agents to block the company from implementing its announced changes until after the representation election.

If the AA suit against the NMB doesn't result in something AA wants (at all or prior to conclusion of the 1113 process) I suspect that this is an area where bankruptcy law will trump the NMB requirement for status quo during an election. Remember, there's legal precedent (in another context and circuit) for abrogating contracts not violating the status quo.

Jim

 

[700UW]

Jim,

In AMFA vs ACA, I know its a little different, but the courts ruled there was no status quo in effect for a newly organized group.

So if the CWA wins, the company will be free to do as they please before they ever get a CBA.

 

[john john]

I suspect that this is an area where bankruptcy law will trump the NMB requirement for status quo during an election.
Jim

How does laboratory condition come into play during an airline union election

 

[frontline]

CWA has been dishonest about this election from day one. I have heard all about the promises they have made to AA agents if they'll just vote them in. The reality is that yes, AA would have to bargain with CWA... but AA is in bankruptcy, and CWA would have almos no leverage in those negotiations!

If CWA had been elected to represent agents before the bankruptcy filing it would be a different story, but even then they would be subject to the same 1113 process we are all going through now.

 

[john john]

Here's a timeline in the AA/NMB/CWA battle

 

[john john]

If the AA suit against the NMB doesn't result in something AA wants (at all or prior to conclusion of the 1113 process) I suspect that this is an area where bankruptcy law will trump the NMB requirement for status quo during an election. Remember, there's legal precedent (in another context and circuit) for abrogating contracts not violating the status quo.

Jim

You think the purpose of the bankruptcy court/law is to over see union elections

I thought they were government agencies that did that

 

[john john]

CWA has been dishonest about this election from day one. I have heard all about the promises they have made to AA agents if they'll just vote them in. The reality is that yes, AA would have to bargain with CWA... but AA is in bankruptcy, and CWA would have almos no leverage in those negotiations!

If CWA had been elected to represent agents before the bankruptcy filing it would be a different story, but even then they would be subject to the same 1113 process we are all going through now.

Promises hope or desire that you “heard”

CWA is fighting and using resources to try to help the passenger service agents an AA and all you can say is that don’t stand a chance maybe you would like it that way