Concessions Or No Airline? Article

[PITbull]

If labor groups should decide to listen to "the plan" and conceed to work rules changes that are permanent.....management CANNOT receive any bonuses through 2008. They recieve a wage like everyone else.

There is no bonus monies on any level or capicity to b e given. All profits whould be used to stabilize the airline and pay the ATSB loan off early to free us from the government guarantee. No senior exec. who have asked employees to sacrifie, specifially possible permanent work rules, should benfit with bonsuses on the backs of the employees "quality of life" give backs. Period.

No matter what the circumstances in this "business plan", if it eliminates jobs in any classification, present or potential future....will not have Counil 40 PIT's name on it. If it potentially creates "part-time " jobs, will not have Counil 40's vote.

We are all for a sound business plan. Working harder, better, smarter, more productive. But the jobs remain and it has to be done with 27,000 employees.
If all criteria is met, and work rule changes occur which may be permanent, will have to be given huge returns to each employee group. None of this 100 shares of stock crap....but profit sharing with NO CAPS. After all, Labor saves the airline again, and again, and again!

 

[PITbull]

The Truth,

You live in a "delusional world".

Labor does not have the "touchy, feely, nice, nice feelings" for this present management. We will not "partner" with this mangement until THEY change their culture, which I do not believe they have the ability to do.

Many folks present day work more than 1 job, thus the "ethics/conduct policy". You obviously are of a "class" that does not require multiple jobs.Goody two-shoes for you. Many, many in our particular group have already contacted AFA and told them they will KILL if AFA goes to the table, specifically the reserves who you have screwed till the cows come home

 

[Art Vandelay]

This unenthusiastic outlook does not represent the majority of the employees. There are countless numbers of former airline employees that are still seeking a secure job outside the industry. This is the Real World.

Labor will make the ultimate decision if Airways becomes a viable airline. It is imperative that the unions allow the company to improve its competitive position. Labor and Management can work together as a conducive team.

Perhaps you should survey the employees rather than make that assumption. From what I read and various sources, there is tremendous resentment and a lack of confidence in management voiced by employees.

How is it that Labor is now given the fate of the company? Is Labor free to replace the incompetent buffoons that run Airways?

Please give some examples of management working with Labor in a cooperative and conducive manner, and dealing in good faith in the last two years.

Also please cite some examples of leadership and morale building.

Regards,
Art Vandelay

 

[cavalier]

This unenthusiastic outlook does not represent the majority of the employees. There are countless numbers of former airline employees that are still seeking a secure job outside the industry. This is the Real World.

Labor will make the ultimate decision if Airways becomes a viable airline. It is imperative that the unions allow the company to improve its competitive position. Labor and Management can work together as a conducive team.

I bet you good money it represents more than you would like to admit. Some people put more value in honor and integrity then living in a situation that compromises one’s values and beliefs.

Labor it seems so far has already made that ultimate decision thanks to the actions by this management team.


Like I said in another post; posters who extol misdoing are playing on the fears of employees who are not firmly rooted. Since they rid themselves of the younger employees, leaving behind old employees, I wonder how many are firmly rooted? We will soon find out.

 

[PITbull]

Art,

Thank you.

I will wait for that reply from "Truth" as well.

 

[Analyst]

Art,

ALPA and AFA publicly stated that they were not interested in hearing the new business plan. I anticipate that ALPA will come to the table and there will be an official announcement later this week. Pollock now understands that it is in the best interest of his membership to work with the company.

The AFA has not grasped this concept of reality. There is a local union president and her "side kick" that continue to assault this management team without any success. Allow me to provide you with a few examples. She organized a sick leafleting last year that had a low turnout. There was a Labor Day parade that had a handful of union members in attendance. But we should not forget that she is the General telling her troops CHARGE but they are retreating.

Many of the employees do not care about their unions. Look at the recent AFA vote for the CWA merger. Another low turnout by the membership. Since you are new to the boards, in 2002, the IAM members were confused about the election and had to vote again. The CWA membership passed a agreement that has the potential fora large number of its membership obtaining a $13 hour salary versus the present $21. Don't blame the company because the unions voted for the ML Express classification. What does this tell you about today's unions?

 

[ClueByFour]

Labor will make the ultimate decision if Airways becomes a viable airline. It is imperative that the unions allow the company to improve its competitive position. Labor and Management can work together as a conducive team.

It's the responsibility of management to do those things, chief.

The fact that ya'll are inept at it might be fatal to the employment future of the labor groups, but is not (and will not, despite your best efforts at spin) go down in history as being laid at their feet.

Next time, follow the Tilton plan, and do a better job in bankruptcy. Maybe a refresher from Haaaaaavahd is neccesary.

Of course, you can't possibly work for US, as you would be in violation of your own dumbassed internet access policy.

 

[PITbull]

Clue,

You go on.....God, you know these guys.....

 

[Art Vandelay]

Art,

ALPA and AFA publicly stated that they were not interested in hearing the new business plan. I anticipate that ALPA will come to the table and there will be an official announcement later this week. Pollock now understands that it is in the best interest of his membership to work with the company.

The AFA has not grasped this concept of reality. There is a local union president and her "side kick" that continue to assault this management team without any success. Allow me to provide you with a few examples. She organized a sick leafleting last year that had a low turnout. There was a Labor Day parade that had a handful of union members in attendance. But we should not forget that she is the General telling her troops CHARGE but they are retreating.

Many of the employees do not care about their unions. Look at the recent AFA vote for the CWA merger. Another low turnout by the membership. Since you are new to the boards, in 2002, the IAM members were confused about the election and had to vote again. The CWA membership passed a agreement that has the potential fora large number of its membership obtaining a $13 hour salary versus the present $21. Don't blame the company because the unions voted for the ML Express classification. What does this tell you about today's unions?

Analyst,

Thank you for sharing your comments above.

Perhaps you can shed some light on my confusion. How is it possible that unions at Airways have the power to prevent management from presenting a business plan to the employees? Are there some type of limitations on communicating exclusive to Airways? I cannot recall a CEO using this type of argument and to me it defies belief, lessening credibility and investor confidence. Who is in charge?

From what I have witnessed and read, I cannot for the life of me figure out what Airways management is attempting to accomplish, other than alienate their customers and browbeat the employees. Thus I consider them buffoons. I like my doctor, my attorney, and my pilot, happy about their job and not distracted.

Your post and logic escapes me, I infer you are telling me the powerful unions have management hogtied, and yet the last two paragraphs allude to the weakness of the unions. This incongruity confuses me and I don't understand what you are trying to say.

In fairness to the union folks, passing a giveback contract under the threat of liquidation is not the same as passing a negotiated tentative agreement. The analogy to me is giving the carjacker your keys as opposed to letting the kid next door borrow your car. It's the only prudent decision to make "under the gun" but it doesn't smack of fairness.

You seemed to not answer anything I inquired about and I don't quite follow what the main point of your reply is.

Regards,

Art Vandelay

 

[PITbull]

Art,

For Analyst, he's always feeling threatened by the AFA Local President for some strange reason. Just read his/her past posts. Talk about buffoons.....

He/she will continue not to make any sense.



Anaylst,

Next Leaflet in February, with your favorite side kick and all....

 

[cavalier]

Art,

ALPA and AFA publicly stated that they were not interested in hearing the new business plan. I anticipate that ALPA will come to the table and there will be an official announcement later this week. Pollock now understands that it is in the best interest of his membership to work with the company.

The AFA has not grasped this concept of reality. There is a local union president and her "side kick" that continue to assault this management team without any success. Allow me to provide you with a few examples. She organized a sick leafleting last year that had a low turnout. There was a Labor Day parade that had a handful of union members in attendance. But we should not forget that she is the General telling her troops CHARGE but they are retreating.

Many of the employees do not care about their unions. Look at the recent AFA vote for the CWA merger. Another low turnout by the membership. Since you are new to the boards, in 2002, the IAM members were confused about the election and had to vote again. The CWA membership passed a agreement that has the potential fora large number of its membership obtaining a $13 hour salary versus the present $21. Don't blame the company because the unions voted for the ML Express classification. What does this tell you about today's unions?

You are not even subtle in the fact you are so far slanted and are management's mouth piece since they gagged themselves with their stupid ethics policy.

The local afa you speak of scares the bejeezes out of this management team because they understand what one strong voice can do to unite labor and put the brakes on further attempts at crushing labor.

It's funny watching management's vain attempts trying hypnotized employees with fear and threats of liquidation and selling assets, when all they are succeeding at doing is setting labor ‘s resolve in stone. Keep the management posts coming!

 

[diogenes]

Help!! I'm confused!!

IF the PIT AFA pres is doing so poorly by his/her constituents;

1. Wouldn't it be in management's best interests to sit back, or even encourage him/her to continue to screw the f/a's? Seems to me it'd be wisest on their part to hold his/her coat while she/he beats employees up.

2. How does he/she hold elected office if his/her constituents perceive him/her not to be acting in their interests?

I'm guessing someone wants to pi$$ on our boots and tell us it's raining.

GO AFA!

 

[callgirlcindie]

I was furloughed Dec 06, 2002. Since that time I have been attending a community college and after this current semester is over I only have two more classes to have an associate degree in the medical field. When I left the company, I was in reservations for 23 years, and did not know of one single person that was positive. Everyone was overworked, stressed, and unhappy. I know of quite a few employees that have begun taking classes this past year because they feel that the end is near and they are being proactive in starting something for their future. I have not regretted my decision a single minute since I left. I have holidays, nights, and weekends with my family. That is priceless. There is life after USAirways. There are pluses and minuses for sure. The main point of this post is to wish the employees of U the best. Don't wait to take your life into your own hands, even if it is just one class a semester. It adds up and you will have an edge if and when the end comes for U. I wish you all the best. And to Art, you never cease to amaze me by being such a gentleman on this board. U is lucky to have you as a passenger.