Concessions Or No Airline? Article

[USA320Pilot]

Pete Copeland's opinion is shared by the majority of US Airways' employees.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[cavalier]

Pete Copeland's opinion is shared by the majority of US Airways' employees.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

Some pointed questions: Please explain how exactly you know that what you seem to imply is fact? How can you possibly know the mindset of the majority? And if you don't know why do you even bother making this remark? Lastly, why did you change your screen name edited?

 

[ktflyhome]

Interesting!!! Since joining these boards and going back over the archives I have done my best to familiarize myselfe with the various personalities on here. As of late it DOES appear those who have been most active have some how either taken an haitus or have changed their "handle". Interesting......very interesting. <_<

 

[oldiebutgoody]

...We will know more soon, but I am of the opinion that it will be better to have a job while looking for a job. In addition, the company will be involved in a corporate combination, provided it can meet the ATSB's terms and conditions and having 339 mainline jets will provide a better seniority integration for some labor groups.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

USA, I'm just SLIGHTLY taken aback by you're statement about your job. While I'm also trying to be a realist, do you REALLY think that the new workrules/wages/headcount will be onerous enough to end the tenure of some senior folks at UAIR? I saw the proposals from an earlier post (I think yours, but I could be wrong), and while it looked like a significant change, it didn't look terrible (for ALPA anyway). Are you hearing anything else? I am actually MORE worried about UAIR ceasing to exist altogether than a change of workrules (especially since managment has already stated that W2 stuff wasn't their primary target this time). I don't see how ANY change they make, including massive furloughs (if they tried them) would help significantly before summer. The ONLY thing that might pump cash into UAIR would be a sale of some kind. So, if cash is a problem, NOTHING the unions agree to will solve the cash crunch, unless the unions also agree to end benefits & furlough/severance pay for those affected. I wouldn't expect that, and hopefully the company won't try it.

 

[28yearsnojob]

:down: pete copeland makes 75000.00 a year and thats not the case with
mainline express or mainline fleet or cwa ticket counter especalily in small cities.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

:down: pete copeland makes 75000.00 a year and thats not the case with
mainline express or mainline fleet or cwa ticket counter especalily in small cities.

I hate to restate the obvious, but many (most) of the positions in the aviation industry HAVE CHANGED forever. There's really nothing that anyone can do about it. It's just a business reality, like the end of the lunch counter at Woolworth's. Business is business. It was nice while it lasted, but my timing sucked.

 

[28yearsnojob]

get rid of the unions COMPANY PROBLEM SOLVED

 

[ClueByFour]

Pete Copeland's opinion is shared by the majority of US Airways' employees.

Really?

In the course of my current dometic trip, Pete Copeland's opinion has been shared by a few (not all) of the pilots who I had the opprotunity to talk to, and one GA at PIT who admitted that her husband was a broker, and was only hanging on for the "free travel."
Not a single other FA, gate agent, ATO agent, or even a line mech who I was BSing with over a smoke in a PHL eatery shared that opinion.

I'd like to see a sampling of those who make $50,000 and down if they are willing to continue to get abused by the current management yet again.

Honestly, I understand why some members of U ALPA would bend over again--with a minimum of 15 years or so, it's not like one is going to find another job with a major domestic carrier, so sacraficing the ALPA "young" (or the relative equivilient at U) and the other labor unions is simply a means to try to reach retirement until the bottom falls out.

For every other union on the property, I can't see (and, after a random sampling and more than a few ears bent) and don't see the sentiment.

 

[flyswatter]

When votes are cast, if it gets to that point, those who don't want to accept concessions will be able to voice their opinion just as those who are willing to accept more cuts will.

So, if I know I don't want any more cuts, I will get to vote an emphatic "NO" and if the majority votes that way and the airline fails, then so be it. I think most people are aware that if we don't give more, the airline will more likely fold. Time to get your resumes in order, find a headhunter and start a serious search for gainful employement.

I would rather have to work 3 jobs than to give one more thing dime to Dave and co.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Let me rephrase my comment regarding Pete Copeland. Pete's comment is shared by the majority of people I come into contact with throughout the system. They're the silent majority.

In regard to my user name, the new US Airways Ethics manual forbids employees from using their name on the internet when discussing the company.

In my opinion, there will be non-core assets sold to maintain minimum liquidity standards, the transformation plan will evolve, and then a corporate combination will proceed.

Respectfully,

Chip

 

[cavalier]

get rid of the unions COMPANY PROBLEM SOLVED

Now there is a brilliant statement!

WITH the unions we have witnessed cuts cuts and more cuts, concessions not once but twice with many promises being made if we only would give those concessions especially the second round then we would be the better for it. Wrong, the contracts don't seem to matter because management breaks all the contracts and tells us to take it to court. Then the famous pension robbery of the pilots and on it goes this and more, way more blatant disregard of employees and their contracts. Then I read statements like this one. I realize where Jerry and gang hold out their hope, hope that they can find enough people with malleable minds to mold into their twisted view of how the American worker should be, hence live and exist.

I am being extremely nice here because I have to be being this is a moderator enforced board.

 

[firstamendment]

OK guys, so it finally hit me that I can give myself a raise overnight without the aid of US Airways. How? I'm taking my $42,000 a year and moving to CLT. I have been in NYC for 12 years, living from head to mouth...and for what? I hold the key to my happiness. I can live like a king in Charlotte, compared to NYC. NYC has played out like a worn CD and it's time to start a new life. If US goes under I can live off unemployment until I find a new job, but that wouldn't happen in the Big Apple.

I can sit around complaining and sitting in my S*** or I can do something about it. Yes, I will miss NY, but this is my life and I need to start taking care of myself. I just feel bad for those who can't do as I am because of families. So if some of you are in the same situation as me, seriously consider getting the hell out of those high priced cities and pampering yourself abit. My new home is with a roommate, a friend of mine for 17 years who lives in a two story house. I get the top floor, which is as big as my apt. in Manhattan. All that plus utilities will cost me $450 a month. Current rent and utilities...$1400 a month.

There is a God.

It doesn't take a lightning bolt for me to "get it".

 

[AOG-N-IT]

Now there is a brilliant statement!

WITH the unions we have witnessed cuts cuts and more cuts, concessions not once but twice with many promises being made if we only would give those concessions especially the second round then we would be the better for it. Wrong, the contracts don't seem to matter because management breaks all the contracts and tells us to take it to court. Then the famous pension robbery of the pilots and on it goes this and more, way more blatant disregard of employees and their contracts. Then I read statements like this one. I realize where Jerry and gang hold out their hope, hope that they can find enough people with malleable minds to mold into their twisted view of how the American worker should be, hence live and exist.

I am being extremely nice here because I have to be being this is a moderator enforced board.

Interestingly enough in this particular situation in a left handed way 28 is right. If their were no unions US Airways could basically do as it pleases and then if they failed they have no excuses

As it seems? , the company tries to do pretty much what it damn well pleases now....or until a Judge says no to their whims The only thing is...they are betting with OUR companies liquidity and our futures doing so.

 

[cavalier]

Bob...they are pretty much doing what they please now with the disregard of our contracts.

Doing what they please means making themselves millions upon millions to pocket with total and absolute disregard of the employees and their plight, which doesn’t even cross their mind. If you think I am off base then please explain their self serving actions and total lack of employee welfare up until this point.

Execrate is a good term regarding my feelings towards a team I TWICE gave the benefit of the doubt only to have it bite my ### off.

 

[The Truth]

I would rather have to work 3 jobs than to give one more thing dime to Dave and co.

This unenthusiastic outlook does not represent the majority of the employees. There are countless numbers of former airline employees that are still seeking a secure job outside the industry. This is the Real World.

Labor will make the ultimate decision if Airways becomes a viable airline. It is imperative that the unions allow the company to improve its competitive position. Labor and Management can work together as a conducive team.