Company Proposal To Mechanic And Related

[firstamendment]

Throughout US Airways’ restructuring senior management and ALPA's advisors warned employees as time went on the management “askâ€￾ would increase.


You beat all!! It was YOUR group that monopolized the negotiating team. If the company wanted agreements before the Oct 7 deadline, they would have had enough negotiator. So before you start with your see i told you so BS, remember what group HOGGED (as usual) all the time.

You have a right to your opinions, but you are like a record that gets stuck over and over and over and over. I use to defend you but I find all you like to do is stir the pot. I will defend your right to say what ever you wish. Hell, I'll defend your right to be an ass. God knows many feel your little "we're protected, you're not" digs are offensive and show you are far fron respectful. You seem to think your group is safe, but you sold yourselves down the stream and have left the company with the opportunity to sell the airline off in pieces WITHOUT YOU, leaving you to play with your A320 aircraft models. So keep the rhetoric. My $40,000, soon to be $32,000 will be much easier to replace then your captain pay.

 

[Mike W]

A320,
What is in the Customer Sevice proposal of last week is almost exactly the same as the company's offer of July 27th.So,explain to me how they made out by negotiating? It still constitutes a paycut of over 30% with outsourcing clauses and reductions in vacation and sick time. Do you think Fleet Service or M&R would have made out any better by talking to the company this summer? Using the word negotiate and US Airways is a joke. This dance is just about over...please turn out the lights.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

Also A320, I see no room in the CWA proposal where we can increase productivity and keep the salary deduction to a minimum amount of "pain". There is nothing in that proposal that any normal human being would even consider entertaining for a moment. But if you're happy with your TA, then keep smilin... :blink:

 

[TheLazarusman]

My $40,000, soon to be $32,000 will be much easier to replace then your captain pay.

[post="195192"][/post]​

I don't think I fare so well. By my calculations I just went from making 20.65 an hour and 40,000 a year to making 12.65 an hour and 25,000 a year. This sucks. Let's see...I'll pay rent ( in a junior efficiency apartment, of course), my truck payment, my utilities, put gas in my truck, food on my table, and pay my child support each month so I can continue to see my son each week, and I won't pay any of my creditors one friggin dime!!! Ah, what a life! Maybe I'll go find another job making more money. Yeah right. Who's gonna want me at my age. Well, I'm not that old. But where am I going to find another job making 20.65 an hour? And the company knows that. I have an Associate's Degree, and a Bachelor's Degree; but I'm afraid those and a dollar won't buy me a cup of coffee. This 1113© really stinks! :down:

 

[kiloromeo]

I think this opens the door, wide open, to the rumerd 750 line mechanics... everthing else outsourced.....

 

[700UW]

No one in their right mind would vote yes for this.

But it was expected to be bad.

 

[firstamendment]

I don't think I fare so well. By my calculations I just went from making 20.65 an hour and 40,000 a year to making 12.65 an hour and 25,000 a year. This sucks. Let's see...I'll pay rent ( in a junior efficiency apartment, of course), my truck payment, my utilities, put gas in my truck, food on my table, and pay my child support each month so I can continue to see my son each week, and I won't pay any of my creditors one friggin dime!!! Ah, what a life! Maybe I'll go find another job making more money. Yeah right. Who's gonna want me at my age. Well, I'm not that old. But where am I going to find another job making 20.65 an hour? And the company knows that. I have an Associate's Degree, and a Bachelor's Degree; but I'm afraid those and a dollar won't buy me a cup of coffee. This 1113© really stinks! :down:

[post="195199"][/post]​

I agree 100%.

 

[ojxux]

Planejane:

For every employee group the company is seeking productivity changes, which will provide an employee the opportuity to limit their gross pay loss, if desired. This is a key component of the "Transformation Plan" so the company can maximize its revenue opportunity with expanded utilization of all of its assets, including aircraft, facilities, and human resources.

It's my understanding the company's proposal provides the IAM-M with a pay and benefit expense higher than JetBlue and AirTran but below Southwest.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

[post="195180"][/post]​

Blah Blah Blah - Listen and listen good. If management is really interested in keeping this craphole of an airline afloat they will appease IAM-M cause they can and will shut the doors. The company will go back to the weakest, most spineless groups for more cost savings in the event that it is needed. IAM needs to hold tight and use their right for self help as their bargaining chip. Unlike the butt-boys (pilots) this is a real possibility (a strike) and even the clueless tools running this corporation know it. Hang in there, hope for the best, expect the worst and prepare to strike and shut this dump down. If the butt-boys want to keep this place flying they will give some more if necessary.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

Well, Lazarusman....maybe if we picked up 80 hours of overtime per pay period, could balance out the "pain". Im sure a certain 320man would think that not to be a problem, unless of course, we are malcontents.

 

[TheLazarusman]

Well, Lazarusman....maybe if we picked up 80 hours of overtime per pay period, could balance out the "pain".

[post="195214"][/post]​

Yeah, I'll just tell my son that daddy can't see him anymore; I GOTTA WORK!!! Yeah, that's it! What a concept! Hell, I could pay my creditors then too! Forget about having a life. Forget about my son; but by God I could maintain my livelyhood and meet my obligations; now couldn't I? Why, I might even move up in this world. My son doesn't need a father figure; he needs a workaholic dad. He doesn't need to see me, he needs to see the money.
This company is so good to us I just don't know what to say!

 

[High Iron]

The company offer to the mechanics is something that they can live with. It's a cut in pay, yes, but unlike fleet service and customer service, it isnt something that would put them into the poor house or personal bankruptcy. I would bet this proposal would pass a vote. It looks like the company doesnt want a fight on its hands with the IAM, and was the first one to blink.

[post="195179"][/post]​

YGBFSM. Scroll further down ( I know, I know, Adobe is a PIA, clumsy, user-unfriendly format...I can't stand it either ) and see that it's much much more than the money: This cracks the door wide open with outsource language so open-ended that one could clearly envision them laying off 80 percent plus of the present workforce. No way anyone over seniority # 500 will vote for this. Even the top few hundred wouldn't buy this just bump along a few months till retirement.

The pattern is the same for all other groups: Low ball to guarantee refusal...then run to the courts- or - if it's actually accepted it would be a windfall for CCY beyond their wildest dreams...not that it would enable the airline to survive, even in its hugely truncated form; They'd screw it up just like they always have........

 

[sentrido]

And why not. Do the math.

23.35 x 40 = 934 per week. @ 52 weeks per year = $48,568. I don't think unemployment pays that well. U is not putting anybody in the poverty line here.
As for other related, the cost reflect the job worth now.

[post="195173"][/post]​

Its not the pay. Its everything else. Its a "non" contract. When they can do whatever they want, and hire/source/vend anybody to do it, why have the contract at all? And then what does the pay matter?

 

[USA320Pilot]

The ALPA discussions took many different forms before the final result, thus the company's AFA, IAM, & CWA proposals can change too, but the end result will be the cost cut target. Why? It's my understanding the ATSB and the creditor's committee are demanding the cost reductions.

In regard to the CWA and IAM proposals, all of these represented employees have the ability to work overtime to limit or even eliminate their gross pay loss.

Separately, ALPA bankruptcy counsel Richard Seltzer, from Cowen, Weiss, & Simon, told the MEC a S.1113© motion has never been litigated, the court has significant leeway, and the court can strike the "self help" option if such action would materially damage the debtor and the creditor's.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[livingontheedge]

A320,

I'm trying to keep an open mind and look at this from all sides, so could you please claify a few things for me?

First, let me say that I am a res agent. I have been with the company for 10 years, but have a pay senority of 7 years as I was parttime in San Diego before moving to Winston-Salem.

I have read the proposal from the company to CWA. You have stated that there are productivity changes that would offset wage cuts. What are those for res?

The proposal also has a "step back" provision as far as wages are concerned. The company wants everyone to 4 steps back in pay senority. That would put me at a 50% pay cut. And yes, I have already checked and I would make more on unemployment. Combine that with 50% sickpay, reduction in holiday, vacations paid at 75%, and the right to outsource any and all jobs.

You have stated again and again that if groups did not come to a TA that the "ask" would be much more painful.

Why? As punishment? If the company is truly trying to adapt and be profitible why would they need 18% wage cuts from one group and 50% from another? Also, if the company needed 23% across the board for emergency interim relief, than 18% would not seem to be in line with the "need."

I love my job and I want this company to be a success, and I am willing to do my share to help....however, it is just not making sense to me.

 

[livingontheedge]

A320,

I am happy to work overtime and do so quite a bit, however there has'nt been any offered in res lately.

Any other suggestions?