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Company Proposal To Mechanic And Related
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Don't worry you will be on the unemployment line with the rest of the company, this place is doomed to fail.
See you did not have your contract violated after you signed it with the company, the only reason you are flying a brazilian barbie jet is because the Mainline Employees of US Airways financed it.
Otherwise you might be lucky to be flying a Dash 8 at Piedmont since AL is no longer in exsistance.
But I would not expect you to understand anything.
You need to change your moniker to E170F/O, you are begining to sound like one.
See you did not have your contract violated after you signed it with the company, the only reason you are flying a brazilian barbie jet is because the Mainline Employees of US Airways financed it.
Otherwise you might be lucky to be flying a Dash 8 at Piedmont since AL is no longer in exsistance.
But I would not expect you to understand anything.
You need to change your moniker to E170F/O, you are begining to sound like one.
haha hit a nerve eh...
Hey man, your union made your bed, now you have to sleep in it. Name calling will not change a thing.
Just pointing it out since you seem to have missed the obvious.
Anyways, good luck explaining this to your membership. Not everyone will place the blame on the company alone you know.
Good luck
Hey man, your union made your bed, now you have to sleep in it. Name calling will not change a thing.
Just pointing it out since you seem to have missed the obvious.
Anyways, good luck explaining this to your membership. Not everyone will place the blame on the company alone you know.
Good luck
A320 Driver
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5.7% paycut for mechanics at top of scale. Made out better than I did. Wonder if I can get that $2 overide for my A&P?
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USA320Pilot
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Throughout US Airways’ restructuring senior management and ALPA's advisors warned employees as time went on the management “ask†would increase. Why? The company’s finances would deteriorate due to passenger’s “booking away†from the airline, increased costs associated with the “judicial restructuringâ€, and now rising fuel costs. Nobody should be surprised by today’s company proposal to the IAM-M because the union refused to discuss the new business plan and mechanic and related participation.
ALPA’s advisors are batting 1000% and except for the 3 TWU units, the other unions will likely have contract cuts deeper than otherwise could have been obtained.
Even ALPA’s RC4 finally saw the light and directed the pilot Negotiating Committee to obtain a Tentative Agreement because the union believed court orderd changes could be even worse.
In my opinion, the union can do better than the proposal because the company would like to obtain consensual agreements. However, the only way to do this is to negotiate and stop the comments of the "concession stand is closed" while working for a business enterprise that has failed in an industry in meltdown.
If not, Judge Mitchell has shown he will “impose†a contract and there can be no changes made by the court during the next S.1113 hearing, the S.1113© "imposition" phase. Simply put the judge has one of two options: Either “impose†the last company or the last union proposal. In a recorded message to pilots on October 20, US Airways ALPA communication committee chairman Jack Stephen said, “In the 1113(e) process, the judge did have the power to make modifications to the Company’s emergency interim proposal. But, unlike the 1113(e) process, the law does not provide the judge with the authority to make any modifications in the 1113© process involving long-term, permanent relief.â€
See code-a-phone message
In my opinion, to limit union damage, every union without a new labor accord should negotiate a tentative agreement as soon as possible. Then if the terms are unreasonable, the effected employee can use their present job as a “bridge†to obtain new employment with more acceptable pay and benefits.
Why? Judge Mitchell has approved virtually every company motion in two “formal reorganizations†and in the face of rising fuel prices, labor has very little if any leverage in court, which has been proven in one S.1113 hearing. ALPA general counsel Mike Abams and ALPA bankruptcy counsel Richard Seltzer believe Judge Mitchell has great latitude and will likely strike the “self help†option and agree to the company’s outsourcing request if a “slowdown†occurs.
Do I like what is happening? No, of course not. The pay and benefit cuts run deep, however, I continue to believe for every employee it’s better to have a job than no job while in transition because you have higher pay, benefits, and insurance, instead of just unemployment benefits.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
ALPA’s advisors are batting 1000% and except for the 3 TWU units, the other unions will likely have contract cuts deeper than otherwise could have been obtained.
Even ALPA’s RC4 finally saw the light and directed the pilot Negotiating Committee to obtain a Tentative Agreement because the union believed court orderd changes could be even worse.
In my opinion, the union can do better than the proposal because the company would like to obtain consensual agreements. However, the only way to do this is to negotiate and stop the comments of the "concession stand is closed" while working for a business enterprise that has failed in an industry in meltdown.
If not, Judge Mitchell has shown he will “impose†a contract and there can be no changes made by the court during the next S.1113 hearing, the S.1113© "imposition" phase. Simply put the judge has one of two options: Either “impose†the last company or the last union proposal. In a recorded message to pilots on October 20, US Airways ALPA communication committee chairman Jack Stephen said, “In the 1113(e) process, the judge did have the power to make modifications to the Company’s emergency interim proposal. But, unlike the 1113(e) process, the law does not provide the judge with the authority to make any modifications in the 1113© process involving long-term, permanent relief.â€
See code-a-phone message
In my opinion, to limit union damage, every union without a new labor accord should negotiate a tentative agreement as soon as possible. Then if the terms are unreasonable, the effected employee can use their present job as a “bridge†to obtain new employment with more acceptable pay and benefits.
Why? Judge Mitchell has approved virtually every company motion in two “formal reorganizations†and in the face of rising fuel prices, labor has very little if any leverage in court, which has been proven in one S.1113 hearing. ALPA general counsel Mike Abams and ALPA bankruptcy counsel Richard Seltzer believe Judge Mitchell has great latitude and will likely strike the “self help†option and agree to the company’s outsourcing request if a “slowdown†occurs.
Do I like what is happening? No, of course not. The pay and benefit cuts run deep, however, I continue to believe for every employee it’s better to have a job than no job while in transition because you have higher pay, benefits, and insurance, instead of just unemployment benefits.
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot
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The company offer to the mechanics is something that they can live with. It's a cut in pay, yes, but unlike fleet service and customer service, it isnt something that would put them into the poor house or personal bankruptcy. I would bet this proposal would pass a vote. It looks like the company doesnt want a fight on its hands with the IAM, and was the first one to blink.
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Planejane:
For every employee group the company is seeking productivity changes, which will provide an employee the opportuity to limit their gross pay loss, if desired. This is a key component of the "Transformation Plan" so the company can maximize its revenue opportunity with expanded utilization of all of its assets, including aircraft, facilities, and human resources.
It's my understanding the company's proposal provides the IAM-M with a pay and benefit expense higher than JetBlue and AirTran but below Southwest.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
For every employee group the company is seeking productivity changes, which will provide an employee the opportuity to limit their gross pay loss, if desired. This is a key component of the "Transformation Plan" so the company can maximize its revenue opportunity with expanded utilization of all of its assets, including aircraft, facilities, and human resources.
It's my understanding the company's proposal provides the IAM-M with a pay and benefit expense higher than JetBlue and AirTran but below Southwest.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
stoopidute442
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Plane Jane said "As for other related, the cost reflect the job worth now"
My reply....I hope you and your family starve to death this holiday season.....as far as you are concerned my job is worth nothing....so you are now worth noting to me!
My reply....I hope you and your family starve to death this holiday season.....as far as you are concerned my job is worth nothing....so you are now worth noting to me!
stoopidute442 said:
Don't hold up hope for that, I think you have bigger issues. I don't believe the company said related $0/hr. Non licensed were brought into the IAM and have been riding the coat tails. It's your union stupid! What are they doing representing flight attendents at Continental? Anything for dues, they will do anything for dues. You need to remember that, but of course, since you have suggested that you are one of the unlicensed that have been living the good life off of the backs of the skilled and licensed mechanics, you won't ever admit to that.
