"come Out And Fly With The Big Boys"

[wnbubbleboy]

Yeah! I hate to burst your bubble, but enjoy your time at the top, you got nowhere to go but down. 😀

[post="304943"][/post]​

Why Thank you, I think We will.

I see it the other way though, We have new unchartered ground to cover. We have changed the industry like it or not we are the future.

I am sorry that the return for our hard work upsets you. I hope you can get past this stage because after anger there is acceptance.

You'll be much happier with life when you progress to that stage.

 

[darkclouds]

darkclouds, WNJETFIXER asked you if you worked in the airline industry, you made a smart @ss comment saying no. I did some research on your posts, here is one: Im not saying you were actually saying you didn't work in airline industry but either you were really being a smart@ss or figured we all knew you worked for UAL. I don't post here enough to know who is who, except for WNBubbleBoy. Since its sometimes difficult to detect attempts at humor on a bb I thought by your post that you infact were not in the airline industry.

*****" FishFace are you sure you worked for United?

Pay and work rules for Shuttle pilots was different from Mainline. I flew both and some pilots would not bid Shuttle because of that.

Now we have Narrow body and Wide body work rules...the narrow body guy's work harder and pay for the bus dropped substaintially to the 737 pay rates. Most want off the narrowbody because of the changes.

All narrow body pilots work at TED rates and rules."******

A majority of your posts are on the UAL board. I read all of your posts and you made reference to working for UAL as a pilot. Perhaps you were just trying, lamely, to be funny, I dunno, regardless, you are putting blame on WN for your current plight.

I don't know what your problem is but hating SWA is counter productive. I used to work for U for 6 years. I was bumped around the system for the ENTIRE 6 years, did I piss and moan and blame someone else for my situation? No, I went out and got another job...a much, much, much better job.

"Dont mean to come across as a smart@ss".  😛

[post="305123"][/post]​

Never said I hated Southwest...



I have lots of bud's that work there...nobody answered my thoughts about how you guy's can substantially reduce cost in the future....because you can be sure, all the dinosaurs will be lowering there cost. Recycling office supplies won't do it...
My point being SWA had it niche that has grown rapidly...the majors got by doing it their way....and badly.

Now they are all being force to compete with you... The line between SWA and eveyone else is narrowing...How do you seperate yourself from the other airlines.
The buying public presently assumes that SWA has the lowest fares, the Southwest Factor, will that change?



If you did not have the fuel hedges what would SWA do? Raise fares? Ask for paycuts? You guy's have a tremendous advantage right now...some smart moves by your management. But increase your fuel cost by 500 million or 1 billion a year...things don't look so good.


[[Sitting around all day on a bean bag chair, watching porn and eating Cheetoes with a orange "willie" isn't the way to go pal. ]]

It's not?? How about Pringles?

 

[WNjetdoc]

Never said I hated Southwest...
I have lots of bud's that work there...nobody answered my thoughts about how you guy's can substantially reduce cost in the future....because you can  be sure, all the dinosaurs will be lowering there cost. Recycling office supplies won't do it...
My point being SWA had it niche that has grown rapidly...the majors got by doing it their way....and badly.

Now they are all being force to compete with you... The line between SWA and eveyone else is narrowing...How do you seperate yourself from the other airlines.
The buying public presently assumes that SWA has the lowest fares, the Southwest Factor, will that change?
If you did not have the fuel hedges what would SWA do?  Raise fares? Ask for paycuts? You guy's have a tremendous advantage right now...some smart moves by your management. But increase your fuel cost by 500 million or 1 billion a year...things don't look so good.
[[Sitting around all day on a bean bag chair, watching porn and eating Cheetoes with a orange "willie" isn't the way to go pal. ]]

It's not??  How about Pringles?

[post="305188"][/post]​

I wouldn't say we have grown rapidly, infact some say we grow too slowly. You can believe the company isn't sitting around, smoking cigars and laughing, if you think that then thats a very bad mistake.

Who was one of the first to start the low cost thing and still flying? WN, thats right. Our company innovates and we are proactive, not reactive. We didn't get to where we are by following what others do. (I know the PSA story so save that for another discussion). Legacy carriers are doing everything they can to get like us, but by screwing their employees, current and retired, alone wont do it.

Perhaps in the future our company may come to us with their hands out, who knows. I do know that the scenerio of them that I described above, cigars in mouths, kicking back laughing, isn't happening. We are doing things to cut costs, I know of some things, and there are others that I have no idea about, above my paygrade.

BTW our CASM's have gone down. You guys have lowered yours but the bad news is we have as well. I know its not what you want to read. How far do you think you can lower your CASM's? Perhaps if they cut every employee then they will get it as low as they want. It may be the typical Corpoarate America's montra of profits, profits, profits....except they are using, CASM, CASM, CASM.

There is an interesting DVD out there called, "The Corporation", I found it very interesting, perhaps you would too?

BTW, its gotta be Cheetos dude, try the Pringles and tell me what color your fingers and willie are? Bet they're not orange....its gotta be orange, lol.

 

[WNrforlife]

You speak of arrogance and golden boy in your post. I don't know where you are coming from with this. I have seen one or two posters here who may be classified as being arrogrant however how can a few posters opinions on a bb enable you to formulate an opinion on how EVERYONE at WN feels? Im not even sure those posters actually work for WN, they could be trolls.

Thats like me figuring that EVERYONE that works at your "interstate" company thinks and acts like you, YIKES. 😛

As for our pay, yes we are fairly compenstated, however we do more work with less people. We are not fat, thats for sure. We can offset costs by growing, however you seem to interept growth as being arrogant and eating my jet blasts. I would think no matter what WN did you would use it as a reason to beeach and moan.

As I said in my previous post, we have had a losing quarter, during the Gulf War, did we crash and burn? Noooo, we survived and made it through that period.

PERHAPS we have some of the highest wages in the commerical airline passenger transport business, however that doesn't necessarily equate to the HIGHEST LABOR COSTS, as you say. If you have productivity to go along with wages then I think they can offsete each other. I know you do not like to read this. 😛

[post="305116"][/post]​

You're wasting your breath WNJetDoc. The legacies are toast - and the employees are merely in the denial stage. 😛 😛

 

[Bagbelt]

We're still here making a lot less. Without the cheap gas your yields are worse than ours and we got the money to wait.

 

[Bagbelt]

Nothing against SW, it's your insulting posts who make light of other peoples tragedy that should have you banned. It's only a job at a business few think twice about.

 

[corl737]

You guy's are the industry leaders in wages...Which I think is great...But when the hedges run out how are you going to maintain your cost advantage? Where are the cuts coming from? Is there much fat at SWA? What if you have a couple of bad quarters? Do you think Wall St. will cut you any slack?

[post="304983"][/post]​

Everyone I know and work with at SWA is quite aware that SWA didn't so much rise to the top of the compensation charts as inherit the position through the unfortunate mismanagement of the competing airlines. None of us negotiated "industry leading contracts" in the last go around. We feel sympathy for our fellow airline industry employees (except, perhaps, to those individuals who went out of their way to degrade us because we didn't compare to their once dominate pay scales!) If you feel we're being arrogant, accept my apology -- we're in unfamiliar territory and some of us don't have a handle on humility yet.

We're actively engaged in a company-wide effort to find any little piece of fat that can be trimmed from the operating costs. We're all not only working smarter but harder, too. We're not always in agreement with our management but we are always on the same page. The target is a CASM of 6.15¢. How's your airline doing?

SWA has a history of taking care of its people. Even after 9/11 it maintained 100% of its employee force, paying full wages and compensation throughout the recovery. When management shows us time after time that it regards its people as its greatest asset it will have crediblility if and when they come to us asking for a rollback. Labor is not the first in line when it comes to dropping the axe, it's the last. Amazing, but true.

 

[WNjetdoc]

Nothing against SW, it's your insulting posts who make light of other peoples tragedy that should have you banned. It's only a job at a business few think twice about.

[post="305470"][/post]​

Again, how can one persons post on a bb make you imply the WHOLE airline is insulting you???

 

[Bagbelt]

I'm not, after 5 years of bad news you kind of get on overload. SW isn't what we are worried about, at least you guys are legit well paid employees. It's the scabs and the contract outfits that will work for nothing because their guys need to get some experience to move on. I work maintenance in another industry on the side and I'm amazed that people still get treated well elsewhere. It's nice not to have your troubles broadcast every 15 min. on a newswire. My co. is doing realitivly well but when you see the rest of the carriers get hit you sit there and wonder whens it going to be my turn again?

 

[WNjetdoc]

I'm not, after 5 years of bad news you kind of get on overload. SW isn't what we are worried about, at least you guys are legit well paid employees. It's the scabs and the contract outfits that will work for nothing because their guys need to get some experience to move on. I work maintenance in another industry on the side and I'm amazed that people still get treated well elsewhere. It's nice not to have your troubles broadcast every 15 min. on a newswire. My co. is doing realitivly well but when you see the rest of the carriers get hit you sit there and wonder whens it going to be my turn again?

[post="305582"][/post]​

Dude I feel your pain, I worked at U for 6 years. We had five airline crashes in five years....not to mention my own personal pains I had from working there....yikes.

 

[insp89]

You're wasting your breath WNJetDoc. The legacies are toast - and the employees are merely in the denial stage. 😛 😛

[post="305394"][/post]​

Toast ?...

 

[justanadd]

In reality, a re-opened Dallas Millenium Airport (the old Dallas Naval Air Station) would be a much better choice!
(Wanna stir that pot? 🙂 )

[post="291307"][/post]​

Why should tax payers have to pay for another airport?

 

[corl737]

Why should tax payers have to pay for another airport?

[post="306353"][/post]​

At one point in time a private organization was preparing to reopen NAS Dallas as the "Dallas Millenium Airport." (I believe the plan was also to help support new activity at the adjacent Vought facility in Grand Prairie.) It was to be mostly privately funded with additional money coming through qualified matching grants from the FAA and TxDOT. Alas, environmental issues have put the plan on hold.

And you're right, no taxpayer funds should be used for another airport. That's why it makes so much sense to maximize the benefits of Dallas' already bought-and-paid-for existing airport facilities at Love Field!

 

[TheDog2004]

How much money is Southwest blowing in this stupid "Set Love Free" campaign anyway?

 

[WNjetdoc]

How much money is Southwest blowing in this stupid "Set Love Free" campaign anyway?

[post="306473"][/post]​

Sadly for you not enough to make us file bankruptcy, LMAO, 😛 .