bob@las-AA
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Sorry, I still think "the precedent setting grievances" are lining a bird cage and no further thought will be given to them.john john said:
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So every precedent setting grievances mean nothing?
Then if that is the truth, the company would violate your CBA at every chance.
Third step and beyond are precedent setting under the law and are enforceable by the court system if the company fails to adhere to them.
Then if that is the truth, the company would violate your CBA at every chance.
Third step and beyond are precedent setting under the law and are enforceable by the court system if the company fails to adhere to them.
I am sorry for bringing the topic back to the front, but there are still no answers to my follow up question. The company is still saying that they are going to go to FCFS this summer, what is the status of the grievances that were filed in January/February? Has there been a settlement?
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Hmm, or the IAM will agree to cut your pay again and then keep sending you the same deal over and over again till it passes.
JFK Fleet Service
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I find it comical we're being lectured by someone who does not have an employee number at either airline.
One serious downside I see to fcfs is you can't make a last minute decision on flights because of the requirement if you want to have a chance to get on. To list 24 hours prior. In coming back from FL over busy spring break, we ended up switching at last minute and flying to providence instead of boston. At US you can maintain your position even with a last minute listing. At AA you wouldn't make out well.
jimntx
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And, I suppose that there was either plenty of seats available on the Providence flight, or you bumped someone junior off that flight and they did not get back from spring break in time. Do any of you have any concern for anyone other than yourselves? If you bumped someone, maybe they didn't get home for a funeral or in time to go back to work as scheduled, or missed their marriage. And, I know, I know. "I have seniority. Tough on them." Well, in the future..."I got up at 5am yesterday and got checked in ahead of you. Tough on you."
If you are due back at work at 6am on the 2nd, you'll just have to plan your vacation to come home on the 31st in the morning instead of the 9pm flight on the 1st. Then you would have ALL the flights on the 31st and ALL the flights on the 1st as possibilities for getting home. Boston and Providence. The agent can easily move you between those flights if you have a better chance on one than the other.
But, then I would NEVER go to Florida during Spring Break. Really? Is that not a guarantee that you are not going to get on your flight of choice? That would be like trying to non-rev to the Super Bowl city (whatever that may be) within 2 days of the event.
If you are due back at work at 6am on the 2nd, you'll just have to plan your vacation to come home on the 31st in the morning instead of the 9pm flight on the 1st. Then you would have ALL the flights on the 31st and ALL the flights on the 1st as possibilities for getting home. Boston and Providence. The agent can easily move you between those flights if you have a better chance on one than the other.
But, then I would NEVER go to Florida during Spring Break. Really? Is that not a guarantee that you are not going to get on your flight of choice? That would be like trying to non-rev to the Super Bowl city (whatever that may be) within 2 days of the event.
jimntx
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Not quite. I got up early and MADE THE EFFORT to get checked in first. You did not. On the seniority system, you didn't quit and you didn't die.
Not what I was saying. Correct me if I'm incorrect.
I check in 24 hours prior on PBI to DCA with then connecting flight to BOS.
In our case BOS flights were oversold all day. revenue sb being denied.
We decide to list to go to PVD and get on train.
New listing.
Under current Senority system. No harm by not listing and checking in early. I list for my DCA PVD and get my DOH slot.
So yes nothing to do with making effort and checking in 24 hours prior.
I check in 24 hours prior on PBI to DCA with then connecting flight to BOS.
In our case BOS flights were oversold all day. revenue sb being denied.
We decide to list to go to PVD and get on train.
New listing.
Under current Senority system. No harm by not listing and checking in early. I list for my DCA PVD and get my DOH slot.
So yes nothing to do with making effort and checking in 24 hours prior.
jimntx
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And, I have had more than one instance in my vast career of 12 years, where I went to the airport with the slight hope that I would get on a DCA flight (not really, but just using your example) and have the agent move me to the PVD flight when I found out there were seats available on that routing. Now, if PVD were close to full, I would not be at the top of the list there either, but might have a better chance than DCA. The agents have always seemed grateful that someone was willing to be flexible in their travel plans from heavily traveled cities to even heavier traveled cities. Anything to reduce the standby list by even a little bit.
Though, this whole discussion is becoming more moot by the day. I worked a flight recently--don't even remember the O&D--that had 72 people on the standby list for an airplane that only seated 140 total! What are people thinking when they list for a flight that they know they ain't gonna get on regardless of seniority OR check-in time? (A few, but not that many had rolled over from an earlier oversold flight.)
At the risk of going off topic, I thought there was going to be a huge expansion in flying and destinations in the new AA, thus the hiring of so many new flight attendants. When is this supposed to take place? A big part of the non-rev problem, whether FCFS or DOH boarding, is lack of capacity these days. As a flight attendant, I can go pretty much anywhere I want as long as I am willing to ride the jumpseat the whole distance. DFW to IAH ain't so bad. DFW-SEA? eeewww.
Though, this whole discussion is becoming more moot by the day. I worked a flight recently--don't even remember the O&D--that had 72 people on the standby list for an airplane that only seated 140 total! What are people thinking when they list for a flight that they know they ain't gonna get on regardless of seniority OR check-in time? (A few, but not that many had rolled over from an earlier oversold flight.)
At the risk of going off topic, I thought there was going to be a huge expansion in flying and destinations in the new AA, thus the hiring of so many new flight attendants. When is this supposed to take place? A big part of the non-rev problem, whether FCFS or DOH boarding, is lack of capacity these days. As a flight attendant, I can go pretty much anywhere I want as long as I am willing to ride the jumpseat the whole distance. DFW to IAH ain't so bad. DFW-SEA? eeewww.
