Combined Travel Rules

[ContUNITEus]

It should be First Come, First Serve. Nevertheless, there also should be a separation for the actual employee.  If it is ok for a non-employee to board ahead of you, based fully on the FCFS idea, then it should also be OK for a OAL Employee and buddy passer to trump an actual employee.  The restriction should not be on spouses and children, it should be on everyone, including Parents.  See how you were to like the concept then.
 
What if I don't have children?  Why do I have to put up with your litter?
 
All they really need to do is implement a separation D2A  Employees (traveling alone and/or with children, spouse, etc.), D2B Children, Spouse, etc (Traveling alone).
 
Within each group (first come, first serve).

 

[jimntx]

The argument that OAL employees should go ahead of employees is facetious and just a little precious.  On EVERY airline I know of, the airline's employees go ahead of OAL non-revs.  It is FCFS within travel categories.  OAL employees fly in a totally different category from employees and employee's pass riders.  If I remember correctly, OAL employees fly on a D6.
 
And, let's get honest...all this seniority should prevail/employees commuting to work should go ahead of everyone else/family not traveling with employee should go behind other employees is nothing more than trying to find an angle where you (generic) can sign in whenever you want and bump someone else without having to expend any energy or make an effort on your part.
 
As I near retirement,  I think I should hold out for retirees go ahead of everybody including DP.  That's only fair.  AA was my last job, and my pension was frozen, and I like to sleep late.  I DESERVE to go ahead of everyone else.  (Before you get your panties in a wad and start posting why my argument is wrong, try to think "sarcasm.")

 

[Show me the money]

The argument that OAL employees should go ahead of employees is facetious and just a little precious.  On EVERY airline I know of, the airline's employees go ahead of OAL non-revs.  It is FCFS within travel categories.  OAL employees fly in a totally different category from employees and employee's pass riders.  If I remember correctly, OAL employees fly on a D6.
 
And, let's get honest...all this seniority should prevail/employees commuting to work should go ahead of everyone else/family not traveling with employee should go behind other employees is nothing more than trying to find an angle where you (generic) can sign in whenever you want and bump someone else without having to expend any energy or make an effort on your part.
 
As I near retirement,  I think I should hold out for retirees go ahead of everybody including DP.  That's only fair.  AA was my last job, and my pension was frozen, and I like to sleep late.  I DESERVE to go ahead of everyone else.  (Before you get your panties in a wad and start posting why my argument is wrong, try to think "sarcasm.")

I could not agree more. There are alot of things wrong at AA but our travel is not one of them. With the US crowd we see alot of crying of how it should be to benifit each individual. Here at AA we don't look around the boarding area trying to guess if the person getting on the airplane has one day less seniority than I do, or are they family members that should be flogged and spit on because they dare to fly.  Its simple, there are no pictures so all you US challenged people try and keep up. First come first serve, sign up first and you stand the best chance of getting on. So I figure we will keep hearing how this travel is so bad for all. Let the whining begin.

 

[dfw gen]

It should be First Come, First Serve. Nevertheless, there also should be a separation for the actual employee.  If it is ok for a non-employee to board ahead of you, based fully on the FCFS idea, then it should also be OK for a OAL Employee and buddy passer to trump an actual employee.  The restriction should not be on spouses and children, it should be on everyone, including Parents.  See how you were to like the concept then.
 
What if I don't have children?  Why do I have to put up with your litter?
 
All they really need to do is implement a separation D2A  Employees (traveling alone and/or with children, spouse, etc.), D2B Children, Spouse, etc (Traveling alone).
 
Within each group (first come, first serve).

have you thought about working about united and not so much about us?

 

[700UW]

AA announced their intent to begin integrating some company policies an applying them to US Airways employees before a new contract or single carrier decision is reached. The first announced policy change effects pleasure pass travel. The company's intent is to abandon the current practice and policy of US Airways and adopt the legacy AA policy. That policy establishes boarding priority as time of check in and ignores any seniority based system.

District 141 is opposed to this policy change and will vigorously defend the current requirement that IAM members board departures based on company seniority. Not only is this the historic practice of USAir it is also a contractual requirement under the current Fleet Service Agreement. This provision of our contract is unique in that it specifically identifies boarding priority as a seniority right. It has been challenged in previous merger situations and has been upheld. If the company is looking to change a long established practice that is protected by contract language there is only one place to discuss it - the bargaining table. The first thing that must happen is that negotiations resume for a full and complete agreement.
 

 

[1AA]

 

AA announced their intent to begin integrating some company policies an applying them to US Airways employees before a new contract or single carrier decision is reached. The first announced policy change effects pleasure pass travel. The company's intent is to abandon the current practice and policy of US Airways and adopt the legacy AA policy. That policy establishes boarding priority as time of check in and ignores any seniority based system.

District 141 is opposed to this policy change and will vigorously defend the current requirement that IAM members board departures based on company seniority. Not only is this the historic practice of USAir it is also a contractual requirement under the current Fleet Service Agreement. This provision of our contract is unique in that it specifically identifies boarding priority as a seniority right. It has been challenged in previous merger situations and has been upheld. If the company is looking to change a long established practice that is protected by contract language there is only one place to discuss it - the bargaining table. The first thing that must happen is that negotiations resume for a full and complete agreement.
 

 

Good luck with that. It's over for DOH. Get over it. I think concentrating on getting a contract is more of a priority for the IAM, don't you agree?

 

[john john]

Union Responds to Company’s Violation of Contract

On January 4, 2014, management of the newly merged American Airlines blatantly violated the seniority provision of the US Airways union contract, demonstrating a stunning lack of respect for union employees. With no discussions or negotiations with the CWA/IBT Association, the company announced a new non-rev travel program to be rolled out over the next few months that will apply to all employees of the combined airlines.
The new program clearly violates the seniority provisions in Article 8 of the collective bargaining agreement between US Airways and the Airline Customer Service Association-CWA/IBT. Specifically, the new program will replace the current system at US Airways in which employees board by seniority.
Management is openly negating a provision that many of us fought to establish and protect and is behaving as though employees have no union representation. The company has no right to unilaterally implement this new program without negotiating with our union. We will fight this violation and any others they try to implement. We will not stand by silently when management violates our rights.
The CWA/IBT Association has filed a formal grievance with the company.
After conferring on the issue, the presidents of our local unions and the CWA national staff expressed concern that this move by the new American appears to be an attempt to divide our two work groups.
Ellis Ryan, president of Local 3140 in Florida said, “It’s really disappointing that management would take such a step; it’s a blatant attempt to drive a wedge between US Airways and American Airlines employees. But we will not allow this to stand in the way of our mobilization as we prepare for the representation vote later this year.”
As is clearly defined in our union contract, date of hire seniority applies to boarding non-revenue flights. Making a change without consulting or negotiating with the unions is a clear violation and just simply wrong.
“Once we win our representation election, we will negotiate a new, strong contract for all employees at the new American Airlines,” said Frank Spencer of Local 2252. “At that point, employees can decide what position we will take on the non-rev system. Until then, the company must respect the contract with US Airways employees.”
Our union will continue to update employees on the status of this grievance. In the meantime, leaders urged members not to allow the company to succeed in dividing the workgroups.
“We must focus on mobilization and winning the representation vote this year,” said Vickey Hoots, president of Local 3640. “That is the way to ensure we will have the best contract in the industry.”

 

[john john]

The Company's announcement to adopt the First-come, First-served (FCFS) process for pass travel has created much controversy. Over the past week, we have heard from many of you voicing your discontent with your many phone calls as well as numerous emails. The future travel policy is a violation of our contract language. On January 7, 2014 the US Airways MEC filed Grievance #2014-001-30-99-02 based on the Company's decision to unilaterally amend the Company's pass travel policy without prior notice or negotiation with the Union.

AFA is committed to enforcing our contractual language.

 

[john john]

Good luck with that.

THANK YOU

 

[AirLUVer]

Even though this was a merger, AA is the surviving carrier and name. There could be pressure applied to the CWA and IAM for a staple job for their DOH for non-revenue travel purposes?
 
Of course that could start a war, or it could shut the grievances down.

 

[700UW]

Good luck with that. It's over for DOH. Get over it. I think concentrating on getting a contract is more of a priority for the IAM, don't you agree?

Are you sure about that?
 
The West FAs at US won an arbitration on it, and the East FAs were on their way to arbitration and the company back down and settled it.
And you do know that third step and arbitrations are precedent setting.
 
So you are wrong.
 
So its ok to let the company just violate the CBA and do nothing about it?
 
No wonder why the AA represented TWU employees are in a crappy situation.

 

[AANOTOK]

Are you sure about that?
 
The West FAs at US won an arbitration on it, and the East FAs were on their way to arbitration and the company back down and settled it.
And you do know that third step and arbitrations are precedent setting.
 
So you are wrong.
 
So its ok to let the company just violate the CBA and do nothing about it?
 
No wonder why the AA represented TWU employees are in a crappy situation.

I'm not under your contract...I will board FCFS and the US employees can board DOH per your contract amongst your peers behind me. I work for AA and so do you.

 

[700UW]

Ok Genius,
 
Explain to the board how thats gonna work.
 
And people work for US and people work for AA, the companies are both owned by the American Airlines Group, so no, US employees dont work for AA, they work for US Airways and the US CBAs will be honored until there is a JCBA.

 

[dfw gen]

Let them boare by seniority within their work group.

 

[700UW]

Explain how two totally different ways of boarding Non-Revs can work.
 
Let me give you a head start, it wont.