CLT-GRU gone?

[FWAAA]

Probably correct, since the DOJ was requiring that one of the 3 (including 2 flown by thirdworld alliance BA) PHL-LHR flights would have to be abandoned.  The Brits will probably give up one PHL flight, and put it in CLT.  LUS will add another MAD, as Parker (or was it Kirby) alluded to in the recent video.

No, that's not correct.  
 
The DoJ required no divestment of Heathrow slots to approve the AA-US merger.    The EU, on the other hand, required that new AA make slots available at LHR that would be suitable for daily PHL-LHR by a new entrant competitor.   That's not the same as forcing AA or BA to give up a flight to LHR from PHL.   Perhaps AA/BA will reduce PHL-LHR from three to two, but neither the DoJ nor the EU required reductions in frequency.   

 

[robbedagain]

FWAA  we have a large nbr of pax who travel btwn BWI and Europe via PHL   But what surprises me is that the nbr of travelers who are also going south to CLT then onto Europe    But hey it is equally worse flying DL from BWI to ATL then to Europe   So whats the difference there?    BA and Air Canada serve BWI and Condor does seasonal MUC flight from BWI with a  767-300ER

 

[WorldTraveler]

robbed,
DL and US both have very strong hubs at CLT that could sustain large connecting flows to both Europe and Latin America.

there is no reason why CLT can't be a major connecting hub for the new AA IF AA wasn't also trying to maintain east coast transatlantic hubs at JFK, PHL, CLT, and MIA.

CLT - Latin America (Brazil) specifically) is the same thing.

And remember that US, as a standalone airline, traded GRU slots with DL as part of the slot deal. Abandoning CLT-GRU not only just made the slot transaction an even better deal for DL but helps DL to Brazil because CLT and ATL do compete for a lot of flow passengers.

As for BWI to Europe, given that the alternatives are to go north to NYC with frequent delays or towards the Midwest to connect, going south to CLT or ATL is preferable to a whole lot of people.

If CLT really is reduced to a couple destinations in Europe on a year round basis and nothing to S. America, it will be a sad day for CLT and a victory for ATL.

and to be very clear, I am very much hoping to see CLT maintain a significant amount of its int'l service and not be cut because of internal competition in new AA's network. CLT may not be able to support as much service to Germany as it had because of Star but it is capable of more longhaul int'l service than just a couple routes.

 

[diamondcutter]

no one asked for a history lesson about the slots and how now it's to DL advantage. Keep DL on the DL board!!! Even half of that board ignores you!!

 

[robbedagain]

i dont recall DL having a hub in CLT   may be they built it up like ATL  Lol     I do think CLT will retain a number of Intl flights   the question is how many of the intl flights will it retain

 

[WorldTraveler]

i dont recall DL having a hub in CLT   may be they built it up like ATL  Lol     I do think CLT will retain a number of Intl flights   the question is how many of the intl flights will it retain

yes, that should say "DL and US" both have very strong hubs in the SE.

And they do compete for the same flows.

I have read many times on here that CLT is "just as good as" ATL as a hub in the SE.

for this topic anyway, CLT won't have any Brazil flights.

 

[robbedagain]

The brazil flight is being moved to MIA i believe   But in terms of hubs  DL does not have a hub at CLT  n US does not in ATL  they have sizeable large ops in each other's major hubs

 

[FWAAA]

The brazil flight is being moved to MIA i believe   But in terms of hubs  DL does not have a hub at CLT  n US does not in ATL  they have sizeable large ops in each other's major hubs

No, the CLT-GRU flight is being terminated and the frequencies will be put back in the pool for re-allocation.   Just like the CLT-GIG flight.  
 
AA is converting seven frequencies from MIA-GRU to MIA-VCP, and fewer frequencies from JFK-GRU to JFK-VCP.   MIA is going from four daily MIA-GRU flights to three daily flights.   

 

[robbedagain]

thanks FWAA   do you think once the open skies treaty comes into play it might come back?  or may be GIG or GRU to PHL?   Im rather surprised there is no Latin America flights from PHL

 

[FWAAA]

thanks FWAA   do you think once the open skies treaty comes into play it might come back?  or may be GIG or GRU to PHL?   Im rather surprised there is no Latin America flights from PHL

No, CLT-Brazil isn't coming back, even with open skies.    As has been posted numerous times, CLT is just too far down the list of O&D markets to/from Brazil.   Perhaps PHL will get a GRU flight, and I expect AA to argue again for PHL and ORD  when the route case opens up for the CLT-GRU slots.   
 
Charlotte is a great hub for connecting passengers from the NE to the SE and for connecting passengers on relatively short trips from points within the SE to other points within the SE.   And I see CLT having year-round service to LHR, CDG, MAD and perhaps FRA, if the FRA traffic is primarily Carolina-based business people (middle-management types of all those German-based companies with facilities in the Carolinas).   And perhaps CLT will have some seasonal Europe flights as well.  
 
If the FRA traffic is primarily German business executives, they fly all over the world on LH, and I expect LH to begin a FRA-CLT flight if that's the case.   In premium classes, LH offers a superior experience to anything AA has ever offered, and those German-based execs are not going to split their flying between LH and AA if given a choice.   And if they have to connect at CLT to some small towns in the Carolinas to get to their factories, they'll gladly suffer the short AA flight on the Dash8 or CRJ or E170 for that connecting flight.   

 

[robbedagain]

good points there FWAA  

 

[WorldTraveler]

how many pre merger US jobs are being lost as a result of these moves?

AA and US have no single carrier status for FAs and pilots or any other workgroup which means that work is being lost by US employees even if AA is shifting its own Brazil routes around.

What actions are US' unions doing to protect these jobs?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/07/nmb-agrees-with-flight-attendants-that-american-airlines-and-us-airways-are-single-transportation-system.html/
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/unions-create-combined-seniority-list-for-american-airlines-us-airways-flight-attendants.html/

 

[WorldTraveler]

with all of the union activists on here, it shouldn't be difficult to say what job protections US has in place when int'l flying is reduced as is being done here.

 

[700UW]

with all of the union activists on here, it shouldn't be difficult to say what job protections US has in place when int'l flying is reduced as is being done here.

How ignorant are you?
 
US does seasonal pull downs every winter, no one gets laid off because of it, most of the flights are at hubs, where they are short staffed and both US and AA get through the busy season by lots of overtime.
 
Guess you cant read that PMUS ramp has a no furlough clause in the new CBA, along with their signing bonus today and a 9.53% raise on 7/21 and another 3% raise on 9/14. 
 
No one at US or AA will lose their jobs or have to move because of a seasonal pull down.
 
So its ok when DL cuts their flights in ATL and JFK for the winter, but not ok when other airlines do it?
 
Get a clue.